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I think Frodo was all in all the greatest hero but I don't think he was a very honorable one. Let me explain.
Frodo did destroy the ring and fought through all the perils with amazing spirit but at the same time, come of the choices he made along the way were nothing to be proud of. He was a horrible judge of character bringing Gollum along for the journey, he hardly treated Sam like a friend most of the way, and became nothing to respect when he turned to trusting Gollum and pushed Sam away after all Sam had done for him.
But when he was standing in the Cracks of Mount Doom, I think that's when he realized the mistakes he'd made and he needed to feel at peace with himself and he gathered the courage to do what was right and what he knew he had to do. He is definately a hero, but he can't over shadow all the others that helped him become one.

I still think Samwise was the hero

He was so loyal to Frodo and kept him going in the darkest hour even though Frodo had been mean to him and Sam was the one who carried Frodo up Mount Doom and he killled Shelob and rescued Frodo from the tower of Cirith Ungol :stab:

. Sam also has a big heart and is certainly a hero and to think all these brave deeds came from a gardening loving Hobbit :happy:

. Cheers to Samwise the Brave :wave:

Gollum also played a large part. Without Gollum Frodo would never have been able to get to Mount Doom.

Very good, Itarildë ... I am going to have to change my mind and agree with you on this one

I say Sam. Without sam, the Ring could have never gotten to Mount Doom... :yes:

Haldir o Lórien wrote:

I say Sam. Without sam, the Ring could have never gotten to Mount Doom... :yes:

ur right
i that frodo and sam together were the real heros everyone else was just in the story to help them complete the task everyone else had a way easier job than those 2 when you think about it he trusted gollum because he had to sam and frodo needed him to cross the dead marshes . idon't like that in the movie they played on the trusting gollum thing andhad frodo push sam awaqy like that in the books frodo stuck to sHere's another thougham :bye2:

Author:	Aredhel Ar-Feiniel [ August 19th, 2006, 9:14 am ]
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Itarildë wrote: I think Frodo was all in all the greatest hero but I don't think he was a very honorable one. Let me explain. Frodo did destroy the ring and fought through all the perils with amazing spirit but at the same time, come of the choices he made along the way were nothing to be proud of. He was a horrible judge of character bringing Gollum along for the journey, he hardly treated Sam like a friend most of the way, and became nothing to respect when he turned to trusting Gollum and pushed Sam away after all Sam had done for him. But when he was standing in the Cracks of Mount Doom, I think that's when he realized the mistakes he'd made and he needed to feel at peace with himself and he gathered the courage to do what was right and what he knew he had to do. He is definately a hero, but he can't over shadow all the others that helped him become one. Very good, Itarildë ... I am going to have to change my mind and agree with you on this one

Author:	Rosswen [ August 19th, 2006, 9:16 pm ]
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I still think Samwise was the hero He was so loyal to Frodo and kept him going in the darkest hour even though Frodo had been mean to him and Sam was the one who carried Frodo up Mount Doom and he killled Shelob and rescued Frodo from the tower of Cirith Ungol . Sam also has a big heart and is certainly a hero and to think all these brave deeds came from a gardening loving Hobbit . Cheers to Samwise the Brave

Author:	drewkid [ August 20th, 2006, 11:14 pm ]
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Rosswen wrote: I still think Samwise was the hero He was so loyal to Frodo and kept him going in the darkest hour even though Frodo had been mean to him and Sam was the one who carried Frodo up Mount Doom and he killled Shelob and rescued Frodo from the tower of Cirith Ungol . Sam also has a big heart and is certainly a hero and to think all these brave deeds came from a gardening loving Hobbit . Cheers to Samwise the Brave Yup. I think Sam was the MOSt heroic.

Author:	Princess of Ithilien [ August 24th, 2006, 7:23 pm ]
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Leonder wrote: Gollum also played a large part. Without Gollum Frodo would never have been able to get to Mount Doom. Well if Frodo wasn't such a hero, he would have killed Gollum right away. Wasn't it Aragorn who was bowing to Frodo by the end of it? Aragorn didn't even go into Mordor or carry the ring, the hardest task of all.

Author:	Larael [ August 25th, 2006, 10:26 pm ]
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I'd just like to put my two cents in by saying that I think everyone was a hero in the books, but each in different ways. Even the baddies were heroes if you look at it from their side. Every one is a hero, no matter how small their role is. Everyone makes a difference!

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Author:	Aredhel Ar-Feiniel [ August 27th, 2006, 3:20 pm ]
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^yeah you do have a point

Author:	Starlight [ August 28th, 2006, 10:33 am ]
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Certainly most of the characters acheived some heroic deed before the story was finished. Personally, I think that Frodo was most heroic though, but part of that is because he is an insignificant hobbit. We wouldn't expect him to be heroic, but he is. Aragorn is a strong man and King. That figure would be expected to do brave deeds in a story. A hobbit who is 1/3 his size who hasn't faced half the things Aragorn has faced, is not really someone's first pick for the hero of the story. Yet Frodo most definitely is that. Lord of all has some words of Tolkien's in an earlier post that explain it better than I can. Admittedly, Sam was a big part. He was there for Frodo no matter what. He carried him in the end. But Sam also wouldn't have been there if it wasn't for Frodo. Frodo saved Sam a few times too (i.e. Barrow downs). A lot of people have posted to say that Gollum played a big part, which he did. But I don't think that he did out of heroic motives. He did it out of selfish motives. He just wanted the Ring. Therefore, I am rather disinclined to attribute Gollum with any heroism. Gollum was merely the instrument of fate and Iluvatar in the destruction of the Ring. I think that's about all for my rant today. ~T.T

Author:	Dumanyu [ August 28th, 2006, 7:49 pm ]
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I think the real heroes are Sam, and Aragorn. Sam for making it all possible with aiding Frodo to be bitter end. Aragorn knowing that he would probably not survive the battle at the gates of Bharad-Dur.

Author:	Itarildë [ August 28th, 2006, 10:52 pm ]
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Haldir o Lórien wrote: Very good, Itarildë ... I am going to have to change my mind and agree with you on this one Thanks. That's just my thoughts I guess.

Author:	Celebrian o Imladris [ August 29th, 2006, 8:00 pm ]
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Haldir o Lórien wrote: I say Sam. Without sam, the Ring could have never gotten to Mount Doom... ur right i that frodo and sam together were the real heros everyone else was just in the story to help them complete the task everyone else had a way easier job than those 2 when you think about it he trusted gollum because he had to sam and frodo needed him to cross the dead marshes . idon't like that in the movie they played on the trusting gollum thing andhad frodo push sam awaqy like that in the books frodo stuck to sam

Author:	Dumanyu [ August 29th, 2006, 8:18 pm ]
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celebrian of imladris wrote: Haldir o Lórien wrote: I say Sam. Without sam, the Ring could have never gotten to Mount Doom... ur right i that frodo and sam together were the real heros everyone else was just in the story to help them complete the task everyone else had a way easier job than those 2 when you think about it he trusted gollum because he had to sam and frodo needed him to cross the dead marshes . idon't like that in the movie they played on the trusting gollum thing andhad frodo push sam awaqy like that in the books frodo stuck to sHere's another thougham Here's another thought...Gandalf!! He was the instigator of the whole adventure, and without his realization that thr ring was in fact the "One Ring", all would have been for naught.

Author:	Aredhel Ar-Feiniel [ August 29th, 2006, 8:23 pm ]
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what did that have to do with celebrian's post?

Author:	Itarildë [ August 29th, 2006, 8:27 pm ]
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I think Dumanyu was just trying to put a different perspective on the thought that without "so and so" the Ring would have never gotten to Mount Doom. I think Dumanyu was just saying that if Gandalf had never realized the Ring was the 'Ring' then there would've been no journey. Am I right?

Author:	Starlight [ August 29th, 2006, 9:58 pm ]
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^ That's what I got out of it too. Pretty much every character played a part in the Ring's destruction in some way, but really Frodo is the centerpiece of everything. Take him away, and everything falls to pieces. He is the Ringbearer. Even though he had help, ultimately, it was up to him.

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Author:	White Lady of Rivendell [ August 30th, 2006, 11:07 am ]
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I said Other. Like many have said before me, with out Sam and Gollum, Frodo never would have made it. I love Aragorn with all my heart and soul, but Sam I think is the real hero in the story

Author:	~RinielAranel~ [ September 8th, 2006, 4:05 pm ]
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Did someone say before that not killing Gollum made Frodo un-heroic? Why, in the end, it was Gollum who led to the destruction of the ring. Frodo was heeding the very wise words of Gandalf, and everything he had to go through was very heroic. I must also agree with larael, by saying nearly everyone in the Lord of the Rings was a hero, just in different ways. I don't think it;s quite fair to ask who is the 'greater' hero. Sam was a loyal friend. Frodo endured great pain. Aragorn was a valiant warrior. Faramir was also a courageous warrior, and an obedient solider and kind healer. Eowyn was a brave sheildmaiden, and Gandalf was a wise mentor. You cannot rank all of these great tasks, and if you did, it would simply undermine how they all worked together for the greater good.