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Author:  Galadriel2812 [ October 21st, 2006, 5:22 pm ]
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ya,... do a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd RotK!! hehe that woud be funnny!
Author:  Frodos-Guide [ October 28th, 2006, 7:51 am ]
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i like that lol...'the end to a new beginning' wow good quote :)
Author:  Peredhil Lover [ November 2nd, 2006, 3:58 pm ]
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Strangely enough I wouldn't like to hear more. I like the story as it is, the bittersweetness of the elves leaving and Sam returning home to Rosie. I wouldn't like to read about M-E in the hands of men. We're destructive creatures :P

The ending was perfect and I think that the only thing that needed expanding upon was Aragorn and Arwen's fates which was explained well.
Author:  Frodos-Guide [ November 3rd, 2006, 12:38 pm ]
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aw yeah lol! On with the new beginning! Oh i didn't know that Legolas and Gimli sailed there! Why was that only after those daeths that they were enabled to do so?? How long do Dwarves live?
Author:  Shadowcat [ November 6th, 2006, 7:09 pm ]
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i like the end. but i hate it too because all my favorite places like lothlorien just kind of disappear. :confuzzled:
Author:  theol10 [ November 20th, 2006, 11:33 am ]
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i think that valinor its like the heaven at the story of lotr.
so every good person went at valinor :)
Author:  [ m e m ] [ November 20th, 2006, 6:09 pm ]
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I think that the whole world of Middle-Earth died, only because there was no Magical things, and if so they all faded away. No middle-earth is probably just llike the rest of the world.
Author:  Galadriel2812 [ November 24th, 2006, 1:42 pm ]
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SwedishMoose wrote:
i like the end. but i hate it too because all my favorite places like lothlorien just kind of disappear. :confuzzled:


ya! GOOD POINT it seems like all the places and everyone just dissappear. if i haven't researched it i wouldn't have known what happens.
Author:  manwathiel [ December 3rd, 2006, 8:14 pm ]
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i have to say that using "the end" was sad because it does say...the end, its over, the journey is done. but i think you have to think of it as, that story is over. is like a book, that one is finished and closed but you can pick up another, another journey. in this case you could go to the hobbit or the simerillion (sp?).

i just thought that after the whole story and it being that last movie that the end really fit. but i do remember noticing the 1st time i saw the movie, i remember reading is and just having the reaction of "awww" becasue i remembered it wasn't at the end of the other two movies and i thought that was just really cool because in the other 2 is wasn't the end

ok now im just rambling.....anyways.....i think it fits.
Author:  Maneth Eruvadhril [ December 6th, 2006, 3:22 pm ]
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well it IS the end of the Lord Of The Rings, of the Third Age, of the power of the rings, the war of the rings...;) I think it was just to give it a sense that THAT story of Middle Earth was over.
I bawl my EYES out every time I see "the end" in it..I'm like NOOOOOO I WANT MORE!!
Author:  Frodos-Guide [ December 7th, 2006, 2:42 pm ]
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aww i'm exactly the same. It's just sad to come to the realisation that everything is finally over, but we know in our hearts that it isn't and although Frodo does not realise it, his, and his companions part in the tale will too, endure. :)
Author:  Lord Of All [ December 7th, 2006, 7:05 pm ]
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To add a more lore like additon to this topic I will give you some facts.


The end of the War of the Ring is only the end of the Third Age and of the Elves.
Middle-earth continues for many thousands of years after under the dominion of Men (though there are still Dwarves).
The Valar in Valinor continue to watch over the world, Until finally, when the Valar themselves are wearied of the world and liong to leave it, the true 'End' comes.

After thousands of years, Melkor sees his chance to brake through the Door to the Night and re-enters Ea ewith Sauron at his side and wages the greatest battle ever known on the plains of Valinor. It is called the Dagor Dagorath.

It ends with Turin Turambar, who is ressurected from the dead, slays Melkor himself with Gurthang and the entire of rda is broken and thus the Three Silmarils are recovered from Air, Fire and Water.

This is the true end of Middle-earth.

It is said then that, with Melkorfinally impotent, the Valar will sing another Great Music, and a Second world begins (it is said that the vison which Eru gave to the Ainur before the world began was actually of this second world not the first). And the Dwarves will re awken from there chamber in the Halls of Mandos and help re-build the world with Aule.
Thus the plans of Iluavatar will be full wroguht and Melkor achieved what Eru told him he would achive before the World began:

"And he that attempteth to alter the Music in my despite will prove but mine instrument in things more great than ye himself hath imagined".

Iluvatar is telling Melkor that if he tried to rebel against him he will simply prove himself an instrument to Eru's greatest design - the creation of a new world. And thus Melkor did.
Author:  manwathiel [ December 9th, 2006, 11:12 am ]
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wow thats very interesting. thanks for that, how did you find that out. ( probably out of a book i havn't read but i had to ask)
Author:  Lord Of All [ December 9th, 2006, 1:14 pm ]
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You will find alot of information on that in the History of Middle Earth series.

There is however reference to it in the Silmarillion:

"But Ar-Pharazôn the King and the mortal warriors that had set foot upon the land of Aman were buried under falling hills: there it is said that they lie imprisoned in the Caves of the Forgotten, until the Last Battle and the Day of Doom."

To see more information on it see here:

http://tolkienforums.activeboard.com/forum.spark?forumID=77580&p=3&topicID=8153543
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