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Post subject:  Posted: May 25th, 2007, 1:58 am |
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I don't care what anyone says- I LOVED it. It was amazing.
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The end was somewhat sad, but bittersweet. I thought it was extremely well done. I still really loved it.
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By the way, if you haven't caught on by now, stay after the credits. There's one more short scene at the end, as always.  Only about 1/3 of the theater I was in caught on to that. 
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Post subject: Posted: May 25th, 2007, 3:05 am |
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Johnny's Fan wrote: And I think I can safely say.... there are going to be a lot of sad people round here. As something that happens will make people sad. No doubt about it. You can love the film as much as you want.... but not that bit.
Yes, erm, it made me quite sad what happened and it will make people sad. I hated it personally, worst one yet. I was confused half the time. I didn't like it.   o well, now looking forward to harry potter. _________________ <center>
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Post subject: Posted: May 25th, 2007, 7:43 am |
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Yo ho, yo ho, a pirates life for me!
Saw the movie last night... fabulous entertainment. Unnecessary complicated plot, but great special effects - and it really sets the stage for a PotC4 (hmm not sure whether they ought to stop while the going is still good). But I wish the script writers would have put a little more work into the lines than the confusing subplots.
I'd love to discuss the movie, but couldn't figure out whether this is a spiler thread...?
Does anyone know where to find the script online, there are some great lines I'd love to see again.
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Post subject: Posted: May 25th, 2007, 10:26 am |
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Ok I lied. I didn't hate it. There were some really really good parts and some just as bad. It was good entertainment and Pirates is always good, but I just like the first 2 better. I have major issues with the end, i still can't get over it. But in the end it was pretty good! _________________ <center>
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Post subject: Posted: May 25th, 2007, 11:39 am |
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Well I would like the think that people with any sense won't be reading this thread until they have seen it, so I'm just going to slap "spoiler" all over the place and hope for the best.
*****MAJOR SPOILERS******
***DO NOT READ THIS POST***
Ok, first off I'm going to discuss what I didn't like about it. I was having a great time, I thought it was shaping up to be the best of the three.... and then they killed off my hubby. As you can probably imagine this did not please me one bit. The happy smile was wiped off my face, my arms no longer enjoying the cinema chair's armrest, were now folded and my position changed from the bolt upright to the slouched. Not to mention the curses I muttered under my breath.
Shall I tell you why I hated Norrington's death (apart from the fact it was Norrington)?
1. What was the point of his death? Was it to save someone? Did he sacrafice himself in the fight against evil? No. He was killed for no reason whatsoever. He had already ensured Elizabeth would be safe, so why did he not follow her? Why did he not jump overbaord and got with her and join the "right side"? And why was his death, possibly the most disturbing of all the deaths in Pirates?
2. As if to add salt into the wound he was killed by someone who later on was deemed almost a hero or a good person. Perhaps Norrington's death would have been easier if he had at least been killed A) for a reason or B) by someone who is really a villain, such as Jones. Having Bootsrap kill him for no reason, makes you wonder why they decided to have Norrington in the film at all. If all he was going to do was die at the hands of Will's dad.
3. Why was he forgotten? Elizabeth must have had some idea what happened to him and even if she didn't would Beckett not have missed a certain Admiral who was no longer around?
One of the worst things that can happen in a film is a character that you love ends up dying..... but it is even worse when said character is killed not by the vilain, but someone who has a happy ending, they are killed just so the death count in the film is higher and then they are completely forgotten about after they have shuffled off this mortal coil.
I think they way the writers, or whoever have treated his character should be ashamed of themselves. His death benifted no-one so why should he die in such a cold blooded way? Did the writers add him in the script only to discover many pages later they had forgotten to mention him again, so decided to kill off the character to save them actually having to write something decent about it?
James Norrington played an important part in the first two films, especially the second. He was a noble character and a good man. I think it's a great shame that such a character was written off for the sake of emotional impact and then not even remembered.
I would rather has not seen him in this film, if he was just a tool to add a bit if seriousness to the films.
Ok, I lied. I've only mentioned one thing I hated.
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Post subject: Posted: May 25th, 2007, 12:03 pm |
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Yeah, true about the spoilers. But from browsing the previous page it seemed like people who didn't see it yet, still read the posts.
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I agree. Norington's death threw me off too. First I was 'Yay, there he is... and now he's all good, more yay!' and then in the next scene he was killed off.. as you say, for no particular - plot supporting - reason. Shame! And you're terribly right. Norrington [s]is[/s] was one of the few characters in the movie who actually had an interesting personality, and I'm sure his part could have added to the plot in a possible PotC4.
By the way, Sao Feng's death surprised me too... I had just come to like him (well, except for what he was doing to Elisabeth of course). And they made both Will and Elisabeth captains.
Witty ol' Jack is so right - the titles seem to be up for grabs these days. _________________ >>Be the change you wish to see in the world<<
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Post subject: Posted: May 25th, 2007, 12:30 pm |
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To start with, I don't think a second or third Pirates should have ever been made. Once they started DMC, I think they already had sealed their fate. If the end of AWE was the same as the end of CotBP (with Will marrying Elizabeth) then everyone (at least I would have) thought it was a waste. What was the point of addding 2 other movies to get us back to what we started with? And if Will didn't marry Elizabeth, no one would be happy. So, with what they had to work with, they did a decent job.
The plot line was a mess, though. There was too much going on. I was able to follow along because I had read some spoilers, so I had a fair understanding of what was going to happen, but my friends were completly lost and had to keep asking me what was going on.
I think it was the actors who saved them here. Depp, Bloom, and Knightly did a great job.
The ending was bittersweet. And they clearly left the possiblity of doing a 4th open. I hope they stop here, though. Enough is enough.
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Post subject: Posted: May 25th, 2007, 12:51 pm |
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**YAY, MORE SPOILERS**
I agree about Norrie. I was really starting to like him...nearly as much as I like Will (or don't now, more on that later) and I knew he was about to die...it was awful. I couldn't even watch. It helped some that Elizabeth showed some remorse but only right away, and then too many things were happening to realize "Oh, that one guy is dead." 
Also...what happened to my Will?!? A lot of people say they like the double-sided-piratey-ness in him, but I don't.  I liked him better silly and naive, but good and loyal. Betraying the pirates to Beckett??? Agh, Will! *smacks*
Elizabeth was alright here. I think her character changed a bit too rapidly. Last movie she was sort-of-becoming-piratey, here she's cutthroat, totally pirate. And I'm not saying that's bad, just that it didn't really fit right with the first Elizabeth. *shrugs*
I liked Tia Dalma/Calypso a lot. I wish they could have had more about her at the end. After she dissolved into crabs, she became a strom and that was that. Sort of odd.
Sao Feng rocked, I was surprised at his early death. I thought he'd be more important. I was amused by his handing over Captian-cy to Elizabeth, though. Cool plot twist.
Jack was awesome. They had less time for his character development here, but it worked out better that way. I didn't really like the scheming, out-for-himself sort of Jack we got in the last movie. Even though it's there, just seeing him goofy was enough to keep me entertained.
Barbossa was good too, but almost, sort of...tired, I guess. He didn't seem that important this time around.
Okay, way too many people decieving other people. I can deal with a couple silly plots bu certain characters, but when absolutely everyone has a skeleton in their closet? Urg. I liked having some characters not just out for themselves.
Which is probably why I loved the scene where Elizabeth saw her dead Dad. It was very touching, his calm reassurance that he would greet her mother, and her screaming and uncontrollable sadness and anger. Will grabbing her was so sweet. It was incredibly sad, but moving too. It's a side of Elizabeth I hadn't seen yet.
Same with when Will died. I wasn't expecting that, and it made him killing Davy Jones much more easy to bear. Aw, Jack did something right. Plus their marriage in the middle of the battle. Huzzah! *coughs*  It was really sweet. And the end was sad, but actually bearable.
Plus the Jack ending was funny, too. It might not be so bad if they make a fourth movie. I never wanted these two to be made, so what the heck. Go right ahead, hopefully Jack will be entertaining enough. CotBP will always be the one and only pirates on my shelf anyway.
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Post subject: Posted: May 25th, 2007, 1:06 pm |
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**** SPOILERS*****
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@ Ea - No matter who tries to give me a sane reason why Norrie was killed, they will never be able to do it. It's just one of those things that has EMOTIONAL IMPACT written all over it in neon lights. And the writers personally need hitting with something, as I believe they didn't give the character the credit he deserved. They cast him aside like a empty paper bag. Norrie would have been great to have in the next film/s.
And as for Sao Feng. *scoffs* He was also getting to be an interesting character. The only reason he died was so Elizabeth became a Pirate Lord.... therefore adding weight to her role, which up to now most people think was just a role. Nothing more to it. The love interest and that was it. In this film both she and Will had been given more importance to their characters (the end especially) and as many people say this is not right, as neither of them are really the heros of the films nor the star. Jack is.
@ TheThain - I can sort of see what you mean, although I do like DMC, even if it got really big and somewhat complicated. I hope they don't make another Pirates film..... as after what has happend to Will and Elizabeth.... it just could never be the same again.
@ Rin - Well actually....my brother is convinced that the scene where Jack gets traded for Will etc, there is a line that goes something like [directed at Jack] " do you think he'll get it right this time" - and he thinks (my brother) that all the double crossings etc, were pretty much planned by the group, or they knew what they wanted the outcome to be, and had to make things up as they go along. Now, I'm not sure about this. But my brother being the biggest movie geek I've ever come across, and someone who really "gets" film plots etc. He may well be right.
The Tia Dalma/Calypso thing was good, but I HATED the fact she grew into that giant person. It was like a 1950's B-movie or something. Very tacky. Having her going back to the sea was Ok, just not the giant thing. My brother reckons that for her part, even in DMC she was planning on having herself freed. To do this she needed the Pirates lords, so that's why she brought Babby back and it was her that first metnioned Jack would be rescued. Babby was also the one who knew who she really was, and he was also the one who mentioned that she should be freed. Interesting idea eh?
Jack was as brilliant as ever, if not even better. For my part I ♥ Barbossa. He is one of my favourite characters. I just love seeing him.
Urgh....I haven't even given my thoughts of the awfullness that is the ending. 
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And what about the death of Governor Swann? Could someone please tell me why they killed off another good character? Someone who had been in them all? Oh, yes I know.
He was killed so..... Elizabeth could have an emotional moment>>>>>be comforted by Will>>>>>tell Norrington that Beckett had lied to him>>>>>make Norrington feel guilty>>>>make Norrington decide to free Elizabeth>>>>and make Norrington die after he had freed Elizabeth and when he could eaily have escaped death
As Norrington is also the best swordsman in POTC after Barbossa.... it makes me wonder how he would have been killed by someone who was almost completely one with a plank of wood.
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Post subject: Posted: May 25th, 2007, 1:42 pm |
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Johnny's Fan wrote:
@ Rin - Well actually....my brother is convinced that the scene where Jack gets traded for Will etc, there is a line that goes something like [directed at Jack] " do you think he'll get it right this time" - and he thinks (my brother) that all the double crossings etc, were pretty much planned by the group, or they knew what they wanted the outcome to be, and had to make things up as they go along. Now, I'm not sure about this. But my brother being the biggest movie geek I've ever come across, and someone who really "gets" film plots etc. He may well be right.
I may very well be wrong, but I thought that Will said (after Elizabeth said something about Jack electing her as the Pirate King [shouldn't that be queen? Anyways...]) that maybe he does know what he's doing.
I think Rin's right. There was way too much betraying in AWE, by characters who (formally) were "noble, and heroic". Namely, Will.
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Post subject: Posted: May 25th, 2007, 1:43 pm |
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spoiler(ish)
i was a little disappointed. johnny and orlando were really hot (im not going to lie) but i thought some parts were cheesey and confusing. it was really funny, i was laughing a lot. but the whole thing with tia dalma getting really big and turning into a bunch of crabs annoyed me a little bit. waiting three hours in line at the theatre was a little irritating since the movie couldve been better. i also didnt enjoy the boy getting hanged in the beginning. the song was awesome for sure, but i could do without seeing him die. i guess it was supposed to make you sad or sympathetic, but it made me..i dont know the word to use, i just really didnt like that part. so i dont think it was great at all, but besides some parts it was really good. oh and what was up with james dying?? dont see the point in that whatsoever.
also, the theatre was really loud. everyone would start screaming whenever jack sparrow came on. yes hes hot but it was a little over the top with people yelling "take it off".
so yeah, i'll probably see it again and not be so confused. i think it's good enough to see twice.
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Post subject: Posted: May 25th, 2007, 1:50 pm |
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Post subject: Posted: May 25th, 2007, 2:04 pm |
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i see what you mean totally and agree
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Post subject: Posted: May 25th, 2007, 2:05 pm |
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Johnny's Fan wrote:
@ Tariel - Ouch! 3 hours! Wow, we just walked right in. And the cinema's over here don't usually go in for cheering (although I have felt like doing that myself before now) and there were only 15 other people in the cinema screen as well as me and my brother. I can see what you mean about the hanging.... but I think we needed to see why the entire film was set around getting the Pirates together and battling Beckett. If we just thought he wanted to get rid of the odd Pirate, I don't think the film would have worked. But knowing there were mass exeucutions of men, women and children allows us to understand the urgency surrouding the Pirate meeting.
i totally see what you mean and agree
just something i dont like seeing everyday
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Post subject: Posted: May 25th, 2007, 2:05 pm |
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** SPOILERS **
I really liked the movie, better than DMC I think  The plot was concluded in a way where the story or some of them had a proper conclusion. I loved the ending especially as Barbossa wasn`t completely ignored as a character all tough he didn`t seem all too important, but when you think it. The whole plot would have been VASTLY different, if Barbossa hadn`t been around.
Will and Elizabeth got their `happy ending` as where Jacks and Barbossa`s stories were left sort of open so that they would apparently continue their rivalry. _________________ 
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Post subject: Posted: May 25th, 2007, 2:15 pm |
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**** SPPILERS *****
@ Tariel - No I understand what you mean. To be perfectly honest I thought the scene with the prisoners being dragged away in DMC, and all the corpses in the cages was a bit "too much" for a Pirates film. So, I can understand how you feel about a young boy being hanged.
@ Curunìr - Oh, I don't know. I think Barbossa was a very important character in AWE, and I actually think the script recognised that. Well it would have been different because without Barbossa the meeting could never have been called and they would not have gone to war. Same with Jack. Without him, what happened in the film could not have happened.
Hmm... I wouldn't call it a happy ending myself. An "inconvenient ending" would be more appropriate methinks.
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