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Lol, Haldir. I think maybe next time I'll go to your cinema. :P

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Dark Knight=the best movie i've seen in a while.
i LOOOOVED it.
the pencil trick is my favorite!!! haha it's just funny because it is sadistic, but you're not expecting it, and Ledger just presents in a comical way. It's one of those things where you laugh, then you realize you shouldnt be laughing, so you laugh more, if that makes any sense at all.

I'm so sad Heath Ledger is dead, because he was absolutely BRILLIANT. Ack, I wanna go see it again!!!!


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pip&leggyluvr wrote:
I'm so sad Heath Ledger is dead, because he was absolutely BRILLIANT. Ack, I wanna go see it again!!!!


I agree. Ledger was an amazing actor. He really got into his characters. It is sad that he died.


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I know :(
I mean, I was upset when he died,
but after seeing this role....
it's like, he would've just taken off, you know?
He had so much more ahead of him.
It's sad....
He was brilliant.


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Yeah, Ledger was a good actor, though tbh, I still think that Christian Bale is a better one. :P

However, I think that everyone in The Dark Knight did an amazing acting job, so that's pretty cool. ^_^

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I finally saw it last night!!! :bounce:

It was incredible. First off, I haven't seen Batman Begins, so I can't really compare the two or anything. But Christian Bale makes a wonderful Batman. I really liked him. :)

And Heath Ledger, was, of course, amazing. That performance was so disturbing and well-done and creepy and everything it should be. He pretty much stole the movie.

As for Maggie Gyllenhal...eh. I'm curious to see how Katie Holmes did with the role.

Anyway. It was so much better than any action movie in recent history because of the attention given to the characters. I really enjoyed the whole idea of 'freaks', mostly discussed by the Joker--how certain people (easy to spot in superhero worlds) are capable of doing extreme things, for either good or bad, because of their detatchment to normal people. And then how Batman takes this idea to cover up for Harvey Dent--keeping him from becoming a freak to the people in order to inspire hope. I mean, I was so impressed with his sacrifice. "He has to run, because we have to chase him."
Incredible stuff to think about. I'm afraid I haven't put it very eloquently.

The only other superhero movies I've ever seen are Spider-Man (still need to see Superman, X-Men, etc.) and I was impressed by the relative darkness and seriousness of Batman. There didn't seem to be much storyline about Bruce Wayne, either. Maybe that's different in the first movie...?

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I liked the second movie better than the first for some reason. They were both well done, but I just found the second Batman more movie way more interesting.


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I definetly prefer TDK to Batman Begins. I love origin stories, but once you get them out the way all you need to do is focus on the story as the main characters have been established.

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I just saw TDK this afternoon.

Whoa. :blink:

I LOVED it. Completely and utterly loved it. One of the best experiences I've had in a cinema. Emotionally, I was gripped. I grinned at the ways of the Joker, I was "NOOOOOOOOOOOO!" when I foresaw something was going to happen that was bad. I was mentally willing characters to do something when all along I knew it wasn't going to happen. I was excited and wide-eyed at the fast and furious moments. I was saddened by certain events.

A good film is not when the effects are well done, or when a script is sharp and witty, but when you FEEL the emotions that you're meant to feel.


The way the Joker was introduced was magic. I adored the pencil trick. :lol: You just knew what kinda guy you were getting. Heath Ledger did an amazing job as the Joker - not 100% sure if he would deserve an Oscar as I do believe his death may have something to do with all the Oscar talk - but he was very, very, very good. It was hard to believe actually that was all an act. I liked the fact we didn't really know who he was either, we kept getting different stories as to how he became scarred. I really want to know the story he was going to tell Batman. :teehee: My one complaint, is that there was no finality to the Joker. Does he end up in prison? Does he escape? Does he get killed? I was surprised he survived actually.

Harvey Dent. AMAZING. I totally loved Harvey. I wasn't sure at first as he was cocky and arrogant, but he genuinely was a decent man and he saw what Batman was trying to do and he was just trying to make everything better. I hate to say it, but I suppose the fact he was "the hero" and the White Knight, he did sort of outshine Batman a couple of times, just in the fact he was one of the few willing to believe and willing to take risks. I was so, so, sorry with what happened to him and Rachel. I became such a Harvey/Rachel shipper. *sigh* Why did my favourite character end up being the one who became a rather dead villain? My only problem with Two-Face was the way he looked. It was like the Mummy but with better CGI. I think I would have liked it better if his face had just been scorched and burnt as opposed to... not there? I'm still not 100% sure why speaking to the Joker turned him into a badguy but I never take in all the plot details when I go to the cinema. :P

Rachel was waaaay better this time round. The problem with Rachel in Batman Begins (apart from Katie Holmes being useless) was the fact she was too preachy and was always like "you shouldn't be happy and having fun when the city is so corrupt, be stern and miserable like me". This Rachel was more alive and had more spunk to her and I liked that. I was convinced she was going to survive, I was so surprised that she actually died :-( Poor Harvey and Bruce.

Yay for Gordon! I'm so glad he got more screentime. :D And my heart went out to him when he was being threatened by Harvey. It was such an intense scene and then he had to watch as Batman became the hunted. I was hoping that Batman would reveal himself as Bruce Wayne. It would have been nice I think, if Gordon knew who Batman was, he would have at least known where he was and whether he was safe or not.

Overall the film just blew me away. Some of the plot kinda missed me, but that always happens to me in the cinema. :teehee: I don't know if it's better than Batman Begins, but it's certainly worthy of being it's sequel. I'm just disappointed that there's something about it my brother doesn't like (and he's not even sure what it is), as it's hard being so hyped when he doesn't share my level of enthusiasm.

I am completely stumped though as to how it's earning so much. It's an excellent film, but there have been equally excellent films since Titanic and no-one's beaten it. It's very odd.

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Yay! You saw it!

The earnings are quite incredible. It's an excellent movie, but I wonder if it has something to do with Heath Ledger. Not to mention the rising cost of theater tickets anyway.

Hm, I don't think I really talked about Harvey before. It just seemed so obvious he was going to change sides from the beginning. He was too perfect. I admired his character, though, and was really depressed for him when Rachel died. (That came as a suprise to me, too. I really didn't expect the main female character to die.)

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Well Batman Begins was a hugely popular film, so anyone who watched it in the cinema and liked it, would be watching this. And anyone who saw BB when it came out on DVD and liked it, would watch this as well. I don't think there are enough Heath Ledger non-Batman fans in the world to make the takings go up so high - it's not like he had the Johnny Depp or even to some extent Orlando Bloom fanbase. However, if Johnny Depp died tomorrow, and I went to see his last film, I might go and see it more than once. And I reckon normal movie-goers would probably go and see TDK more than once anyway. I'd be tempted to go again personally, as I miss too much with all the action. :P I'd like to think there aren't *that* many morbid people in the world who would never have gone to see TDK if Heath Ledger hadn't died.

That's weird actually, because when I first saw Harvey I was "aha, you're going to be Two-Face" and then I completely forget about it. :P I just liked him for his good guy side, which you know me... bad guys rule. :teehee: I think the fact he was such a decent bloke and he geuninely loved Rachel, it was all the more sad when he became Two-Face and when he realised he'd lost her. I completely didn't expect Batman to have been given the wrong address for Rachel by the Joker. I was convinced he would save her and in doing so, that's how Harvey became Two-Face.

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Riniel, Batman Begins sets up the backstory for Batman/Bruce Wayne, so yeah, that's different than The Dark Knight. ^_^

See, with Harvey, I already knew that he would become Two-Face, but in the movie I never really saw him as a White Knight anyway. That's the reason that the Joker 'turned' him so easily--Harvey was actually a very torn person. He was never as good as he appeared in public or was made out to be (I mean, his nickname from when he was at Internal Affairs ought to proof of that), so I considered him to be a normal person (like Bruce, actually) who was struggling to rise above himself. It wasn't in his character to be a White Knight, but he was trying to change himself to help Gotham, which I thought was really awesome. It made his story a lot more emotional.

JF (I have some strange inclination to spell it 'Jayef' o_O), the Joker didn't die, and he didn't escape. He was sent off to Arkham Asylum (at least, that's where all of Batman's enemies get sent when he defeats them in the comics), where he'll presumably escape, but it's not likely that he'll be in any more films, since Heath is rather unable to play him again. <_<

Am I the only one who didn't like either Rachel? I don't think that either one was very good. Rachel from TDK could have been good, except that she was a complete revamping of Rachel from Batman Begins. She went from being self-righteous and preachy to being...strange. That one part where she tells Harvey "He's a friend. Try to be nice..." was, IMHO, very out of character. Her attitude totally didn't match the way it was in the first movie or in most of the rest of TDK. But, the thing that I actually liked the least about her this time was that she seemed so unsupportive of Bruce. Besides Alfred and Fox, she is the only person who know's his true identity, and she was almost antagonistic towards him in TDK. Which was also not cool and very out of character, I thought.

So essentially, I don't like Rachel. :P

Gordon's monologue at the end was awesome. It had the best lines from the entire movie. "He's not a hero. He's a silent guardian; a watchful protector; a dark knight." <--O_O It was a very predictable last-three-words, but it was still awesome. I loved his speech. My complaint here is that the music from the background in the movie is actually spread through three or four different songs in the soundtrack, so I can't listen to it all at one go. :annoyed2: But that's not really a horrible thing. :P

So, did anyone have any doubts about the death of Commissioner Loeb or the Judge? I knew Harvey would live, but I was 98% sure that they would die, once Ramirez mentioned that their DNA was on the card.

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Riniel, Batman Begins sets up the backstory for Batman/Bruce Wayne, so yeah, that's different than The Dark Knight. ^_^

See, with Harvey, I already knew that he would become Two-Face, but in the movie I never really saw him as a White Knight anyway. That's the reason that the Joker 'turned' him so easily--Harvey was actually a very torn person. He was never as good as he appeared in public or was made out to be (I mean, his nickname from when he was at Internal Affairs ought to proof of that), so I considered him to be a normal person (like Bruce, actually) who was struggling to rise above himself. It wasn't in his character to be a White Knight, but he was trying to change himself to help Gotham, which I thought was really awesome. It made his story a lot more emotional.

JF (I have some strange inclination to spell it 'Jayef' o_O), the Joker didn't die, and he didn't escape. He was sent off to Arkham Asylum (at least, that's where all of Batman's enemies get sent when he defeats them in the comics), where he'll presumably escape, but it's not likely that he'll be in any more films, since Heath is rather unable to play him again. <_<

Am I the only one who didn't like either Rachel? I don't think that either one was very good. Rachel from TDK could have been good, except that she was a complete revamping of Rachel from Batman Begins. She went from being self-righteous and preachy to being...strange. That one part where she tells Harvey "He's a friend. Try to be nice..." was, IMHO, very out of character. Her attitude totally didn't match the way it was in the first movie or in most of the rest of TDK. But, the thing that I actually liked the least about her this time was that she seemed so unsupportive of Bruce. Besides Alfred and Fox, she is the only person who know's his true identity, and she was almost antagonistic towards him in TDK. Which was also not cool and very out of character, I thought.

So essentially, I don't like Rachel. :P

Gordon's monologue at the end was awesome. It had the best lines from the entire movie. "He's not a hero. He's a silent guardian; a watchful protector; a dark knight." <--O_O It was a very predictable last-three-words, but it was still awesome. I loved his speech. My complaint here is that the music from the background in the movie is actually spread through three or four different songs in the soundtrack, so I can't listen to it all at one go. :annoyed2: But that's not really a horrible thing. :P

So, did anyone have any doubts about the death of Commissioner Loeb or the Judge? I knew Harvey would live, but I was 98% sure that they would die, once Ramirez mentioned that their DNA was on the card.

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I think the fact that when Harvey was speaking to Gordon he was saying that they shouldn't be working with Batman, and then in the resturant with Rachel and Bruce he was completely the opposite. I suppose that's why he's called Two-Face, but from his point of view, officially he can't be seen to condone Batman but his private views are different. I don't know if it's because his official/private views for other things, led him to be called Two-Face or not. I think he also was like Bruce, but I think the reason he was seen as the White Knight was because he was fighting crime publicly, and not wearing a mask to do it.

LOL! You can spell it anyway you want. :P Yes, I know but I would have liked to see some finality about it. Like we see him in a straitjacket or something at the end. It was odd because I never expected Harvey to die, but the Joker. So to have one character who was only a villain for 25 minutes, and who didn't do anything *that* bad, to end up dying, and the one who had been the villain through the entire film and did *really* bad things, to have no visual conclusion, was a little bit odd.

Well to be honest, I much preferred the character of Rachel this time round. She had a lot more to her. And maybe because she was so widly different (it may as well have been another character really) she was a bit hard to understand to begin with. I think her relationship with Bruce was pretty good. Better than the first film. Just because he's Batman doesn't mean she has to have the softly-softly approach with him. Also she is a lawyer, so although she respects what he does she isn't 100% supprtive of the way he does things, especially when Harvey arrives on the scene and she realises that she truly loves him and not Bruce.

It may have been the best line in the trilogy. I really wouldn't know. The music for that scene was so LOUD, neither me or my brother heard a single word he said, apart from the very last bit "Dark Knight". It was only when I went onto IMDB and looked at the quotes, that I realised what an important thing he'd said. I don't know who to blame for that, the editor, composer, director. Disgraceful. Don't know if anyone else had that problem.

I didn't think the commisioner would die. I liked him. And I knew that policewoman was a traitor. She was in it way too much, and was always there when something big happened.

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Speaking of sequels, Bale, Caine and Oldman are all signed for three films, and the current favourite for the new villain is The Riddler. Who else thinks Johnny Depp would be great for the role?


I wonder which villain they will use for the third part. I read somewhere that they won't be using villains that have already appeared, also villains that aren't realistic. Pity, I wanted to see the Penguin.

However, they'll have to bring a female. It could be a villain. IMO, I don't want Catwoman, but that's because I don't like her that much. And Poison Ivy, well she has appeared already and she's a bit unrealistic (though I like her) Maybe Harley Quinn?

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Yes, teh producer. Maybe it was just the film roll we got, but I couldn't believe how the music drowned out the speech.

Wow. We went to the 5.00pm showing and there were only 15 people in the cinema. Coming out it was heaving, but we think for Mamma Mia! as the screenings for that were full.

I never listened to the hype really, as I never expected it to be "OMG! This is like the most awesome thing ever!". I knew it would be as good as Batman Begins, maybe even a little bit better (which it was) and although BB is the finest of the superhero films, it's not the most awesome thing ever. ;)

I am just WAITING for some little jobs-worth to say "Ooooh, you can't have all the knife scenes an mutilation scenes in The Drak Knight with all the kinfe crime in Britain". I am seriously expecting pencils to be banned in schools.

*squee* Cillian Murphy. I'm thinking he's more himself now, as I loved his line "Not my diognosis" in reply to whether Batman needed help or not. He didn't seem to be Scarecrow anymore, but Doctor Crane. I would have liked to have seen him more but ah, well. :P

I have heard Johnny Depp as the Riddler and also Phillip Seymore Hoffman, as the Penguin. I believe they could be the 2 villains in the next film. Johnny Depp can do ANYTHING so I would be more than happy to see him as the Riddler. I think he's proven that he cane be over the top and also sinister. Whatever the character calls for.

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