I noticed that our main thread for HP 7 discussion is in the HBP thread. Obviously that thread is supposed to be a discussion of HBP, so I decided to make a more "official" place for us to discuss the upcoming 7th installment in the series. Okie-dokie, so here are some questions to get started on this discussion.

-Is Snape good or evil [where do his loyalties lie]?
-Is Dumbledore and Sirius really dead?
-Which 2 characters do you think will die in Book 7?
-Which character do you think got the reprieve?
-Do you think Harry will die?
-Do you think Voldemort was born evil to begin with?
-What do you think the horcruxes from Gryffindor and Ravenclaw are?

[Remember that in this discussion people will be stating their personal opinion's so remember to be respectful.]

-Is Snape good or evil [where do his loyalties lie]?
Good. I believe that Snape and Dumbledore were well aware that Snape would have to kill Dumbledore and that they "planned" the whole thing ahead of time. Snape had to take the Unbreakable Vow so that he could continue playing the role of spy without anything becoming suspicious. Dumbledore did not want Snape to give up his vital job of spying on the baddies. I have loads more to say on this, but I'll wait and see where the discussion goes before posting again.

-Is Dumbledore and Sirius really dead?
Dumbledore for sure. I mean, even if the Avada Kedavra didn't kill him the fall off the Astronomy Tower would.
Sirius I'm not so sure about. He wasn't hit by the killing curse, but he did fall through the viel. I don't know enough about the viel to decide on whether he is dead or not.

-Which 2 characters do you think will die in Book 7?
1. Snape whilst or after saving Harry to complete the whole life debt thing.
2. One of the trio, most likely Ron. Either that it would be a Weasley, but not Bill.

-Which character do you think got the reprieve?
Either Ron, or another character. I'm really hoping it's Ron...

-Do you think Harry will die?
No, absolutely not. It'd make an intereting ending and it would stop people from trying to make sequels, but I don't think JKR would have the heart to do it. I sure wouldn't...

-Do you think Voldemort was born evil to begin with?
Of course no one is born evil. Voldemort may have been born a little bit more evil or interesting than others but he was not entirely evil like he is now. I think it all depends on your environment as a child and your parent's. Of course Voldie didn't grow up in a wonderful environment but it was a home nonetheless. I think it was more his parent's that influenced him to become the way he is. Though he never knew his parent's he did find out that his mother was a witch. He had always thought that if his mother was a witch couldn't she have saved herself from death. He thought she was weak, and didn't want anything to do with either of them. He didn't want to be weak like her, and sucuumb to death. So, he went on his life quest to cheat death itself.

-What do you think the horcruxes from Gryffindor and Ravenclaw are?
No idea really, as I haven't given it much thought.

Let the discussion begin!

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The way I look at is that Dumbledore wasn't pleading for his life he was pleading for Snape to just kill him and get it over with. If Snape and Dumbledore knew about all this ahead of time then it would make sense for Snape to be unsure and faulter. Dumbledore saw Snape doubt what he was supposed to do and he gave a little reminder that looked like pleading.

Dumbledore's death was a necessary thing. If he had stayed alive he'd have to give up one of his most important spies, and have one of his students killed. Plus, it was time Harry went out and did things on his own.

I don't think Dumbledore would have been stupid enough to die, I can't believe that he just ets conered in a tower by a wee kid then killed suddenley with a single spell, it seems so, undumbledoreish, if you know what I mean. I think theres gotta be a lot more to it. And Voldy's never tried to kill Dumbledore before, or at least not that we are aware of, so why does he bother sending an ill trained child up to do it for him now?

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Kess: Maybe Lucius suggested it, or *dun dun dun* maybe Voldie wanted Draco out of the way. Maybe he knew that Draco wouldn't be able to do it and thought that he'd be able to kill him later for not fulfilling his duty [which he just might do].

Anybody think that Harry might be a horcrux?

Sam

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Ya, I've heard the theory mentioned before, but I never thought to look into it because it seems to absurd. It all ties back to whether JKR is going to kill Harry at the end of the series. [Personally I don't think she will.] How would Voldemort have made Harry a Horcrux in the first place? Is there some kind of spell you cast or incantation you say? We don't know enough about Horcruxes to discern whether or not Harry is one.
Actually I think it'd be more believable for his scar to be one than himself. There is something special about that scar besides the fact that it helps Harry know Voldemort's feelings and such, something special that I just can't put my finger on.
The thing is Harry and his scar [if either were Horcruxes] wouldn't fit into the categories Dumbledore came up with in OOTP. They need to be something from Ravenclaw or Gryffindor. Unless Dumbledore was wrong, [which I sincerely doubt], niether Harry or his scar would fit into one of the two categories.
I'm going to contradict myself here, but I have to note that while Harry is not a direct descendant from Gryffindor he is one of Gryffindor's house. If the sword from CoS is not a Horcrux then it is entirely possible for Harry to be the one. Harry is part of Gryffindor's house and could possibly be the Horcrux.

Wow. good point. never thought of that. I'm a bit rusty on my hp. I used to be up on it all. I was good too. Haha. big HP fan...bad memory. I'll brush up and tell u my real predictions.

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Yes, I came up with this one ages ago on the main thread. There are a lo of things that point towards it, the shared wands and powers, the necessary deaths, having "something of griffindors" and the resurection, cos Voldemeort said that Harry would make him most powerful, and he would if it was a bit of his soul.

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Wow, some of those things you mentioned I've never thought of Kess...

So, ehm... which character do you think got the reprieve from death that JKR spoke of?

Gee...haven't thought about it much. Which character.... It's hard to tell. Watch, it'll probably be Voldemort.

No, jk. I wudn't say Harry or Ron. I dunno, I unforunately have the feeling that Ron has it coming *weeps*

Maybe it cud be Hermione. She seems to always be out of harms way. One thing I just thought of that is going to be awful if either just Harry or just Ginny dies, because they love each other. That wud tear me apart. Or...well, I've also been thinking that maybe Ron will die trying to save Hermione or sumthin *still weeping*

For sum reason I'm just thinking Hermione got that lovely little gift.

Sam

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For some reason, I think the reprieved character is Snape. Rowling has all but admitted that his arc is redemptive. However, she likes him and we all like him, too...most of us...maybe she finally gave into pressure.

I do worry who the two who are getting killed are since she made it sound like it was two that she wasn't planning on killing off originally.

I don't see why something from Ravenclaw would even matter...
There are only 7, right?

1.The Diary
2. The ring
3. The Locket
4. Hufflepuff cup
5. ? Most likely Gryffindor
6. Nagini
7. Voldemort himself

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Right. The thing u said about Snape it true. I do kinda like him. He grows on u. What I'm wondering about the repreieve is, why did she mention it? It's not they r the only character who is going to live. That's why its hard to guess. If only two main ppl r going to die then a LOT of characters got the reprieve technically.

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Yeah, but I think they mean someone we think is going to die and deserves to die, like Voldy or Snape. Snape most likely I think, I don't see him as evil.

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Maybe. I'm kinda more worried about who IS going to die right about now. It's driving me crazy..and we still have one whole year until we find out!

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