TheThain, Ah yes I agree with both of you as well. Couldn't one of them had just been happy with their ship(s) and not have needed Elizbaeth? (sighs and shakes head)
I agree once again with you and JF. Norrington never was a true threat to Willabeth in the movie. I think that he was a threat to Willabeth in some the fans minds. It may have left some Willabethers worring. Therefore he (Norrington) had to go.
Yes, I most certainly agree. The writters would never even think of making another Pirates of the Caribbean without Jack (Johnny Depp) and rightly so. It just would not be the same without him. However I still Really want Will and Elizabeth to be in it if there is another sequel.

JF, Oh, I agree. Yes it would ineed have been very hard for Elizabeth (parted from the love of her life for so very long, having to go through having and raising a chiold for so long all by herself, ect). However Will would have it very tough as well. As you said, hard, long lonely days and more than likely very boring. Plus on top of the loneliness line I supose you could say that he had Bootstrap Bill talk to though. However in honest I think that I would rather be alone. lol Poor Will indeed.
I strongly disagree. Will just would not be the same without Orlando Bloom. Yes I think that he is cute but he also has major acting skills. Many people (can you tell I have been reading reviews elsewhere in my spare time? lol) imply or flat out say that Orlando is only where he is today in terms of his career because of crazed fangirls who merely love him for his looks. However it just is not so...at least not with me. A fan girl can appreciate both an actor's looks and his acting ability. I have always been an admirer of his looks but I withheld judgement of his acting abilites until I was sure that I could say one way or the other that he was a good actor. Since then he has convienced me that he most certainly can act. I have seen him play upset, a death scene, the after math of a loved one's death, fall in love, be jealous, be on the brink of suicide, a warrior, inventor, and anger. After all of that I can truthful say that I view him as an Extremely talented actor.
As for Elizabeth, I could have dealt with a different actress playing her. I had thought of her as a most talented actress...up until the death scenes in At World's End. Her lack of emtion (other than screams) has me doubting just how good of an actress she truely is. However with that being said Pirates of the Caribbean still would not be the same without her. So I really do not know about changing her actress either. (shakes head) It's good the way it is. Just my opinion.
I totally agree. Jack indeed does always have that element of surprise. The unexpected is fun and that is totally what made the character of Jack Sparrow as popular as he is (as well as Johnny Depp, of course)(laughs) Oh, how I agree! I could totally watch Jack sitting around doing nothing.

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This is me being rabidly fangirlish, but I would enjoy Pirates a lot more with Orlando. He's a bit like the voice of reason in a weird world - and I like the romance Yes, I am a nerd.

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I have to say, I had a similar thought myself. I was expecting to come on here with a JF sig full of Norrie things.
I still think he should've been the one to captain the Flying Dutchman. He shouldn't have died. And yes, I have looked at all the reasons here, I'm just stubborn.

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Oh, I'm fully aware Depp has made the money for the franchise, no doubt about it. A PotC with just Will and Elizabeth, even with a Barbossa thrown in, would fall sorely flat. What I'm saying is that I'm one of a minority, and I know it, who greatly enjoy Will and his character and are of the opinion that he was definitely the best one for the role and nobody could do it quite like him. Granted, I've never seen anyone else try so I don't know, but Will is a huge part of PotC for me. All of the main three make it worth it for me, even if I enjoy Will most - and let's not kid ourselves, Will's no character like Jack and I don't know if he could play one. That's not to say I don't love him anyway.



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And I would rather see him die nobly than be dragged along just for the sake of it.

Trust me; I completely understand your great love for all things James. He's been my favorite since CotBP, and I quite nearly went into a deep, dark depression when I first learned of his fate (and if I'd ever really gotten into the whole A-U marriage thing, then it would be PotR who was now Widow Norrington). But sometimes characters have to die. It's nothing to blame the writers for. If I had more time, I could pull up countless quotes and examples to prove just how much time and energy the writers have invested in James and just how much they really love his character. He was not, by any means, killed "just for the sake of it."

If he was killed just for the sake of it...

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Oh wow. You guys have done a lot of discussing while I was gone(my computer wouldn't let me log in) I have to say I was very dissapointed at Norrington's death, as I was a bit of a Norribeth supporter (although I really wanted Will and Elizabeth to end up together too,) and he was one of my favorite characters.
And yes, potr, I know the writer's loved him and spent time on him, and that he died nobly, but it still feels good to cry a little and whine about the writers' bad decision

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Elegost Eruaphadion, Orlando Bland? (faints....wakes up) I way disagree with that radio station. Orlando is anything but bland. I have always found something riviting in all of the roles that he has playerd. Just my opinion.

Meldawen, Well, if you are in the minority, then I am right there along side of you. I love Orlando Bloom and I would say that I am another example of a person that other people say that I am one of the crazy fangirls who only went to watch Orlnaod Bloom. It is mnot far from the truth with me though. The thing is is that I like Orlnado for more than just his looks and I actauly do really love Pirates of the Caribbean. I am a proud fangirl. Being a fangirl makes you no less of a fan. Trust me when I say that I read everything and anything taht I can get my hands on about Pirates of the Caribbean and so forth. It's just that I statred watching because of Orlando. SO I will stand right beside you in this minority about Orlando.

JF, Well it is true that Orlando did not get the character that Johnny Depp did. Most view Jack as the better character andJohnny did get more to play. However that is not the actors' faults. They got the role they got. So personaly speaking I can not say that I think that Orlanbdo could not have played Jack. We have not seen him play Jack. Also why would we really want to change any of the actors or actresses? The movie allready hit it big. If you take out any actor or actress it just would not be the same. Taking Orlando out of Pirates of the Caribbean would be like taking Leonardo Dicaprio out of the Titanic. Despite the fact that Leonardo was not the star (Kate Winslet qwas) he still was a major part as to why the movie did so well. You just can not take out a main played in a movie and have it be the same.
For me noone could have played Will the way Orlando did. He is just special...talented.

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Ah, but that's the thing you see. There are so many of us on here (and in RL for my part) who went away thinking - why was his death so pointless? We have discussed the ins and outs of his death scene, and those of us who believed his death to be pointless, have agreed that is was. Extremely. It was a not a noble death at all. So it does make me wonder....... have we all been completely mislead?

Well as someone who is not familar with the writers, and who just sees them as part of the many crew for the POTC. To the untrained ears and eyes, it looks to me as though they wanted that character dead as soon as possible, in a way that they hoped would be convincing.

For such talented writers, I have at least three ways Norrington could have died, in a way that his fans could at least say - it was the death he would have wanted.

@ Ellie - Hah, that's nothing. My mum calls him Orange Blossom.

@ DD - Erm... I'm not really sure who would want to change any of tehe cast either. I know I wouldn't. I've gotten used to them now. I really don'tt hink Orlando Bloom could play Jack, Ok yes he could but it wouldn't be the Jack we know and love. Just like Jude Law, Alan Rickman, Bruce Willis couldn't play Jack. It doesn't mean to say they are all bad actors. But it's something they would play.... but not with the creativity and enthusiasm that Johnny Depp has poured into that role.

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Piratesoftherings, All I can say is that I most certainly agree with you. I am still very upset that they killed him and I do not think that it was truely fair to kill him (especaily since Willabeth had so much do with it). However I certainly can see where the writter's were coming from. So I will have myself a good cry, maybe complain a bit, admire the character and actor for what they are/were but I do see the writter's point of view.

JF, Orange Blossom? Well that is okay. Besides I have some nicknames of my own for him...cutie...hot stuff....beutiful...wonderful...talented...ect...ect.
Well, I see it as he has never had the chance to play a role like that one. In truth as I said earlier I believe that Johnny had more to work with. (shrugs) I have faith in Orlando's acting abilities to quite an extent though. So I will give him the benefit of the doubt. It's not that I do not love Johnny Depp as Jack (because I do love him as Jack) or that I do not think that he deserves the recogintion that he gets (beacuse I do think that he has earned it) but just that it would be nice if Orlando would get his due once in a while. He did the very best he could do with what he was giving and personaly speaking Orlando/Will was my pick of the bunch. (shrugs) Once again just my opinion though. I supose that we will just have to agree to disagree. (shrugs)
Keeping the cast as it is...is one hundred percent fine with me.

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i have to say that i don't think anyone could have played any of the characters as well as the actors and actresses who were chosen did. they all were selected for the right role and they all brought there own little thing to the character and made it there own......i deff. don't think pirates would have been as good with out these actors/actresses.

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I think it's really entertaining to read the Orlando Bland debate. Ha.

When I saw the first PotC that's exactly what I thought of him. Jack Sparrow overpowers him.

Over time though (watching it over and over) I appreciated him a lot more and I think he does the part well, it's just that he doesn't have as much charisma on the screen so he seems bland compared to Depp. But he's the straight guy, so that's to be expected.

I think his character really grows with the next few movies and I've grown to like his character a lot more.

I wouldn't call him bland anymore. I'd just say that I find Sparrow much more fascinating.

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Thanks! I'm glad to hear (read) it.

The other day one of my sisters was talking about how much she hated Orlando Bloom in the role. She wanted to replace him with Jude Law (purely because she prefers that actor). I couldn't help but laugh... imaging him taking orders from Jack Sparrow, in a pirate outfit. Ha ha. Because of that I started imagining Bloom in some of his roles. He could probably pull it off. So who's the better actor?

She also said Keira Knightly couldn't act. And she wanted to replace her with Gweneth Paltrow. Can you imagine her giving that courageous pirate speech?

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