And why would the Pirate Lord from (*scearchs memory* can't-remember-where-Barbossa's-from) somewhere far away from the Carribean be there?

Well, who said you had to be a captain to be a pirate lord?

I guess it's not possible that he became one afterwards... hm. Don't know about that.

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^ good point...

there are many ? that pop up and that are unanswered....

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I think the question is, why would a Pirate Lord sail under the command of another. All the other Pirate Lords had crews of their own. Why wouldn't Barbossa have one?

*ish a smart cupcake* *eats cookie*

thats a good point, what mark did Jack leave on Buckett? I was so prepared to find out, then i forgot about trying to find out once the movie started.

My first thought when our poor, dear Norrington died was, and i quote

"Great, now whats JF going to do with herself."

No jokes.

Anyways, i've calmed down now, all my weird energy is gone...

Well...maybe b/c both him and Jack were so close in territory as Pirate Lords that only one of them got to be Captain and have a crew....

I am not sure

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Babby probably had his own crew at one point, maybe then lost it, and joined Jack's, then mutinied(sp), and got the Pearl... thats what I think.

I think Barbossa was the "Captain" sort of thing of the Caspian Sea... PotR gave us a list, but i don't remember...

he was. Pirate Lord of the Caspian Sea. That's our Hector.

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I can't remember who asked but here are the descriptions for the Pirate Lords.

~Pirate Lords of the Fourth Brethren Court~

Villenueva- Lord of the Adriatic Sea
In feud with the Corsairs since they sail the same waters.
His major rival is Capitaine Chevalle of Spain and France.

Sumbhajee- Lord of the Indian Ocean
He trades with the Arabs and India. Supposable to have supernatural powers.

Mistress Ching- Lord of the Pacific Ocean
She's been in control of China's confederacy since her husband's death. She's the profiteer of the smuggled trade goods between Japan and China.
She likes to behead her victims.
Oh yeah....she's blind!

Gentleman Jocard- Lord of the Atlantic Sea
His false identity he took was from his former master. He took it to escape imprisonment. His pirates have access to New Orleans's port, the Mississippi River, and the Gulf of Mexico.

Ammand the Corsair(Scourge of the Barbary Coast)- Lord of the Black Sea
His fleet of organized privateers are know as the Corsairs. Ammand has combined forces with the Ottoman Empire to control the region of Morocco to Turkey.

Capitaine Chevalle- Lord of the Mediterranean
He plunders from Spanish Treasure Fleets of Villenueva as they return from Mexico. Chevalle constantly trades between the new and the old world.

Sao Feng- Lord of the South China Sea
He holds the navigational charts to World's End. Sao Feng prefers to stay out of the West and East India Trading Company's battles.

Captain Hector Barbossa- Lord of the Caspian Sea
Tia Dalma brought Barbossa back from the dead to serve a purpose in releasing her.

Captain Jack Sparrow- Lord of the Caribbean Sea
The witty Jack that some might say sinister in nature.




Wanted Dead/Alive
(Jack is wanted Dead)

Guineas = 1 pound and 1 shilling.

Villenueva = 2000 Guineas
Wanted for pilfering gold, instigating and participating in a bar fight, and piracy on the Spanish seas.

Sri Sumbha Jee Angria = 2800 Guineas
Wanted for attacking numerous ships of the East India Trading Company, illegally levying taxes, issuing own currency, blockading Bombay, extracting ransom, and piracy on the Indian Ocean.

Mistress Ching = 3,400 Guineas (Cha-Ching!)
Wanted for sacking and pillaging villages, cutting ears off as souvenirs, running a brothel and gambling house, piracy on the Pacific Ocean, collaborating with secret societies to systematically extort local merchants. (Talk about gangsta...)

Gentleman Jocard = 3,600 Guineas
Wanted for leading slave insurrection, crimes against the Crown, false identity, and piracy on British Isles.

Ammand the Corsair = 4400 Guineas
Wanted for the Church's property theft, numerous crimes against the Church, assault on a nun, and piracy along the Barbary Coast.

Capitaine Chevalle = 6,000 Guineas
Wanted for defacement and destruction of French property on land and sea, attempts to steal from the Swiss bank, and piracy on the French seas.

Sao Feng = 8,000 Guineas
He's wanted for torturing innocents with water and steam, illegal use of fireworks and firearms, and of course piracy in Singapore.

Capt. Hector Barbossa = 10,000 Guineas
He's wanted for pilfering a bushel of apples, cruelty to animals, instigating a mutiny, theft, and kidnapping.

Capt. Jack Sparrow = 10,001 Guineas
He's wanted for crimes against the Crown, impersonating an officer of the Royal Navy and a Clergy member, ransacking rum shipment, arson, piracy, pilfering, perjury, and kidnapping.




Well, Captain Barbossa is the Lord of the Caspian Sea. He was the first mate when Capt. Jack sailed the Black Pearl. Maybe they had an agreement along the way to Isla de Muerta? Remember-Barbossa committed mutiny against Jack along their search for Cortez's Aztec Gold. I'm assuming Jack obtained the Pearl soon after the East India Trading Company incident. This is where Johnny's Fan question comes in...

I'm sure I answered this question on the Dead Man's Chest thread before.
The movie doesn't tell of Beckett and Jack's story, but the website does. The prequel books before the movies also states what happened to Jack when he was employed under the East India Trading Company. Beckett was the chairman of the Company then. Jack was not a pirate at this time, and he was doing his duties on the merchant vessel, The Wicked Wench. Jack was assigned to ship cargo to Africa. When he discovered it was slaves, he refused to sell the slaves, so he freed them. As soon as Lord Beckett heard of his defiance, he burned the Wicked Wench and sank it. Beckett then branded Jack as a pirate. The mark Beckett left on Jack was that P you hopefully saw in the first movie.

After Jack was branded as a pirate, he escaped from Beckett and went on a search for a new ship. Jack met up with Davy Jones and he negotiated for a ship. Davy Jones would rechristened the Wicked Wench as the Black Pearl. The name became the Black Pearl because the ship was found charred in black from the torching of the ship. Jack agreed to captain the ship for thirteen years, and Davy would have his soul for one hundred years.

Beckett would later returned to the Caribbean with a commission to take Jack as a privateer.

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yAAAy! The <a href="http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/dec2007/tc20071218_443372.htm">Hobbit movie</a> is back on!!! Movie buffs get excited!

Well here I am.... gone 2 hours.... and pages to catch up on. Here goes.



Hmm.... I must admit I can't see the reason for Norrie dying being to protect the POTC romance. The writers/pruducers/whoever are not so stupid as to even think about placing a character between a romance that is popular and that works. Elizabeth has her time with Norrington and that time was over. Jack was never a threat to Will and Elizabeth, it was merely in the mind of the fans and Will himself. Elizabeth loved Will no matter what ups and downs they had. Their is no question in my mind that after COTBP, there would never, ever be another man for her. I would much rather Norrington was killed just for the sake of it, then the fact it was in case anything was going to happen between him and Elizabeth.



We'll turn you into a Pirate fanatic yet! Yes, I can see what you mean. The more I think about it, the more I like it and the problems I had with it seem to lessen. I'm hoping to watch it again at the cinema - the first time I have seen a Pirates film in the cinema twice.



Dude, I like what you're saying. Without Johnny Depp Pirates would be good action films. He has brought so much to the character, to the films it would be unfair to say he is not the reason why Pirates is so popular. He is what it think of when someone mentions POTC to me.



That is a good question, but what if Barbossa was made a Pirate lord after he took the Black Pearl from Jack? What if in those years as a cursed Pirate, another Pirate (previously a lord) passed down the trinket? By this time Barbossa was a Captain. Or even better what if Barbossa was a Captain previous to being with Jack on the Black Pearl? This is also seems probable.



Well until we know exactly how Barbossa (not a first mate if ever I saw one) came to be serving under another Captain anyway, I don't think we will find out. What misfortune befell him so as to take as secondry rank on another man's ship? This is why I want a film about Babby and Jack for COTBP was set.



I was waiting to find out as well. I only remembered we didn't find out until today.

Aww... thanks Darky. It helps to know I was thought of in his hour of need.



*looks at above posts*

Aye, I think something like that as well. How can such a great Pirate not have had his own command at some point?

@ eowynfaramir4eva - Thanks for all that info. Someone must have had fun coming up with crimes of those Pirates. Cruelty to animals.

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TheThain, Yes indeed. Let Norrington live!
Well as far as I can see, Norrington mostly revolded around Willabeth. There were times (mostly in the second movie, Dead Man's Chest) when Norrington had his moment to shine all on his own. However for the most part his story always had something to do with Elizabeth and therefore Will and their relationship together. Now personaly I would have liked to have seen Norrington what could have been/was without Elizabeth. I would to have liked to have seen Norrington stand on his own two feet and forget that Elizabeth had ever exsisted. I tell you Elizabeth did that man a wrong and Will certainly did let it happen as I said earlier. That being said though I still absolutely Love Willabeth. It's just that I liked Norrington (especialy when he was not involved with Elizabeth) as well.
Well, I think that Johnny Depp really is the reason for Pirates of the Caribbean world wide fame...for the most part. However I still think that some creadit must go to Orlando, Keira, the writters, the rest of the cast, crew, and everyone else who was involved. I actualy see it as Orlando and Keira should be given pleanty of creadit as well. Though many times they are over looked. Yes, Johnny was the main role and the main reason for the film's popular status and yes I am most certainly a major fan of his. Johnny truely is an amazing actor but so is Orlando.
I am glad that you agree. Hmm, that might be interesting. I just really can't imagine it without Will and Elizabeth though. However it might be good. (shrugs)

JF, Well personaly speaking, I think that they perhaps, were a bit worried that if they left Norrington there that some fans might question Elizabeth's faithfulness to Will. I have even heard some still question it. Mainly because of Jack. Well not really because of Jack.. but because they are not so sure that Elizabeth would be faithful to anyone. So kind of a less temptation for her type of thing. I really do not think it was fair to the character or his fans but I could understand why Willabethers would worry about it and why perhaps some Sparowbethers or Norribethers would consider the possability. So I supose they may have thought it best to lay all accusations (sorry if I spelled that incorrectly) to rest and thefore the character. Once I again I did not like it though. Then there was the fact that I do think that in a way they just didn't know what to do with that character and just flat out prefered it to be Will who was stabbed, stabbed the heart, and became Captain of the flying Dutchman for partly fan affected (perhaps?) reasons. (shrugs)

eownyFaramir4ever, Thank you greatly for posting that. It was quite interesting.

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On some earlier page, someone said that she was bothered by the fact that every man seemed to be interested in Elizabeth. I agree with that person. Norrington is a perfect example as DD pointed out. He was all about Elizabeth, for the most part. And yet he did the wonderfully heroic thing [/hint of sacasm/] by letting her go in CotBP. Then he's killed for no reason so she can run off to Will without worries [/clearly sarcastic/]. But the point being, as JF said, Norrington was never a threat the Will. Elizabeth never considered Norrington a possibility. He was killed for no reason except to make the number of deaths go up.



Not only action, but humour too! The reason CotBP was so popular was not the specail effects, or the sword-play (though those things played a big part) it was the characters. Jack (JD) brings so much colour and life to the movies.
But I understand what you're saying, DD. OB and KK are often forgotten. But I think you must agree that there's a possiblity to do a Pirates without Will or Elizabeth, but there's no way they could do it without Jack. So yay for Johnny!

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I think that was one of the biggest problems of DMC and AWE. When CotBP first came out, we hadn't seen anything like it. Jack was a character that had never been seen in the slightest way before. So it was a pleasent surprise to see JD protray such a unique pirate. In DMC you knew exactly what you wanted and even if they had the same amount of quality humour as in CotBP (which, IMHO, they didn't), you wouldn't have the same experiance. So that's another reason why making 3 Pirates was a mistake.

Well, my endless list of questions goes on! This may be the most random of them all, so prepare yourself! What was Becket's ship named? This has been really bugging me.

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