So I just watched CotBP for the first time in a while a few days ago, and I noticed some interesting, random stuff. I noticed a lot more references (in a kinda way) to DMC in CotBP then before. So prepare yourself!

1. "And then they made me their chief". When I heard that I immeadiatly thought of those cannibals in DMC, and I wondered if Jack had been their chief before. Unlikly, but still, that's what came to my mind!

2. When Jack rips the dress of of Elizabeth, I realized that they used that same sort of thing for DMC, when her wedding dress is floating away. I'm slow, I know.

3. "What kind of man would trade his life for a ship?" "Pirate". Hmmm... In DMC we're forced into believing that they were refering to Jack's deal with Davy Jones. But, when CotBP was first made, they couldn't have possible come up with that whole elaborate deal, could they have? But if they didn't, what were Will and Elizabeth talking about?

4. The part where the masts of the Intercepter fall onto the Pearl while Barbossa is calming walking around reminded me of Beckett's death. *Shrugs*

5. "I feel nothing. Not the warmth of a women's flesh!". Funny... Then I wonder why the crew took such delight in "felling" Elizabeth. Plus, after Barbossa demands that she give him his dress back he makes the comment "still warm".

6. For the fist time I noticed that Elizabeth might be playing Jack on the island scene. There were a few sly looks on her part.

7. In DMC and AWE Will seems to have a real problem about kissing Elizabeth, while she seems to find that rather annoying. In CotBP, it's the other way around.


So that's it.

1. I always thought that it was different people, not the cannibals.
2. Yes. Connection.
3. That is interesting.
4. Yeah... I can definetly see a connection.
5. I am not going to comment the first part, but I believe Barbossa was joking in the second part.
6. You have to remember that she was drunk, but I really do think that Elizabeth kinda liked Jack Sparrow in a way, even though she perfered Will.
7. Probably just situational and character development.

With the movies, I believe the filmmakers just used the same ideas. Like, in LotR, you can sometimes notice that they used the same scenes... like with orcs making swords and such. This is not because they are cheap, but it is more efficient and can get the plotline out sooner for us. I believe many of these are just coincidence.

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4. Sorry! Maybe I went a bit far there? Do you mean joking that he felt something?

Nonono, I'm not critizing the movis at all. I just found some of those interesting.

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Hmm.. that is interesting about Ragetti. Maybe he remembers embers being hot.. so goes off of the memory.

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1. Aye, Jack is referring to the Pelegostos, though it's no doubt a somewhat "elaborate" version of the tale

2. Hmm...not quite sure I follow the connection there, except for using a vaguely similar shot.

3. The line is actually "What sort of man would trade a man's life for a ship?" What Elizabeth is referring to is the fact that Jack intended to use Will as 'leverage' to regain the Pearl. Though we could make somewhat of a connection to AWE, when Will intends to trade Jack for the Pearl. "Pirate."

4. Aye, they both have a very calm aura about them. Very natural leaders, too. There's a reason they're my two favorite characters to roleplay.

5. This will be a bit of a longer explanation (albeit one I've done so many times that I have it committed to memory). The whole point of the curse is to punish the greed of those under it. ("Compelled by greed, we were, but now...we are consumed by it.") It accomplishes this by amplifying their greed to the point that it's all they can focus on, thus robbing them of any pleasure they might otherwise experience. The best analogy I can come up with for this is eating a good dinner while there's a forbidden tray of brownies (or other dessert of your choosing) baking in the oven. On its own, the dinner might be delicious, and you would probably enjoy it a great deal, but all you can think about is the smell of those brownies baking and the fact that you won't be able to have any. Similarly, those under the curse cannot drink, eat, or enjoy "pleasurable company" without immediately craving more, thus ruining the appeal of what they already had. So, when Barbossa says he can "feel nothing," what he means is more that he receives no pleasure from what he does feel (if he was completely without feeling, then simple tasks like walking and holding a sword would be nigh impossible). Barbossa could sense that the dress was warm, but he would get no pleasure from it (plus I think it was mostly just a gibe intended to irritate Elizabeth). And as far as Ragetti goes, red-hot coals scorching your skin is hardly a pleasant experience, so he could no doubt feel that just fine.

6. Oh yes. She is most definitely playing him. She pretends to get drunk so that he'll get drunk, then immediately sets about making her signal fire once he's passed out.

7. See, I'd say that he's the most hesitant to kiss Elizabeth in CotBP. At that time (up until the very end), she is still far above him, nothing more than a fantasy that he can never have. Kissing her could get him thrown in jail. In DMC, they're barely together to kiss, but he hardly hesitates to let her know he loves her when they are (especially at their reunion on Isla Cruces). At the end of DMC and the first half of AWE, Will thinks that Elizabeth loves Jack, and Elizabeth is feeling guilty and undeserving of Will, so yes, there is somewhat of a strain on their relationship there, but they do eventually resolve it. And I certainly wouldn't call their wedding kiss (or their one-day honeymoon) "hesitant."

I've noticed that too! And there are a couple of other times it happens. There's a part in AWE where Jack is escaping from Beckett's ship and there's chaos everywhere, but Jack never gets hit or run into or anything. Then later during Will and Elizabeth's wedding kiss, they're standing apart from the others and nothing hurts them even though the battle's raging all around them. I call that the "Pirate Bubble" because it looks like there's a giant bubble around the character(s) protecting them.

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Wow... Thanks, POTR! That was very informative! (And sorry, everyone, for messing up the quote! )

7. Hmmm... What about the part where Elizabeth gave him back the medallion in CotBP? Wasn't he going to kiss her then? And on the one-day scene, he was about to run off until she ran after him. *Shrugs*

1. I didn't really draw any importance from that line. For all we know, Jack might have been making it up. I think it was just a funny way to show Jack was telling them a story before Elizabeth fell.

2. Um, sure, I guess? I didn't notice that.

3. Here, they were talking about Jack trading Will's life for a ship. His whole plan had been to turn Will over to Barbossa in order to get his ship back. i think the quote was: "What kind of man trades a man's life for a ship?" Or something similar.

4. I can see that, though I don't know if it was intentional.

5. Well, they still ate and drank too, just for the heck of it. They porbably got some wisp of satisfaction when they did those things, but it wasn't full like it would have been before.

6. Um, she was never drunk, i think she was pretending to like Jack in order to get him drunk. As for liking Jack...I would say it was more of an admiration for all of the stories she had heard.

7. I guess. Never thought about that.

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In the CotBP scene, I agree that he seemed very ready to kiss her (caught up in the moment and whatnot), but I think Elizabeth cutting him off is more about her feeling guilty than her not wanting him to kiss her.

As for the beach scene, they had just made love for a whole 24 hours, and the pull of the Dutchman was getting strong. There's never such thing as enough of the person you love, but he did have a duty to fulfill. And, note that he was very willing to oblige when Elizabeth ran after him for a final kiss.