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Post subject:  Posted: October 29th, 2005, 10:08 pm |
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All I'll say is I think JKR was 'inspired' by Tolkien's work, and that is how she came up with many of her ideas. I don't think she would copy them directly.
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Post subject: Posted: October 30th, 2005, 7:52 am |
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Post subject: Posted: October 30th, 2005, 10:24 pm |
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Post subject: Posted: November 1st, 2005, 5:55 pm |
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Quote: I'm just saying that Tolkien based a lot of his ideas on existing things...and that was what he aimed for, to build a mythology. But J.K. pretty much made up everything.
There are bits of J. K Rowling that are from Myths such as The Philosophers Stone, Nicholas Flammel and some of the other wizards who are mentioned as being on the chocolate frog cards. In Frankenstien for example Frankenstien is really interested by a book by Agrippa (who's mentioned in Harry Potter). I just though that was cool 
But as to the topic, I don't think J. K Rowling has copied Tolkien as their books are very different. She was probably influenced by him for parts of her book but all authors are influenced by other authors.
Her books are far more like Jill Murphy's The Worse Witch series anyway. _________________  
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Post subject: Posted: November 2nd, 2005, 1:37 am |
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-sigh- they're both wonderful books. Both authors have amazing talent. Both stories brought new ideas into the world of fantasty. end of story 
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Post subject: Posted: November 10th, 2005, 11:58 pm |
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I don't know, I don't like harry potter, but don't judge my response on that. I think it is hard NOT to copy Tolkien in the fantasy world. He was such a amazing writer and was in fact, pure genius. All the ideas and the plot he came up with were incredible, he's kind of like the king of fantasy. I don't think J.K. Rowling copied him, but I thing she used things ALL fantasy books have, she coulda been a little more original alltogether.
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Post subject: Posted: November 11th, 2005, 12:45 pm |
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There's no such thing as 'stealing'. Anyone on this earth has claim to anything found on it. I mean Tolkien 'took' from many sources. It's only that maybe we're not as learned, or haven't heard of most of his sources, therefore we think it's pure genius or a complete creation of his imagination. Just think, nothing we know, is given, is it? The only things that are a 'given' to us, are our five senses and our central processing unit(a.k.a. our brains).
I'll honestly say, it is possible Rowling got many or some of her ideas from Tolkien, but I ask you this: the Nazgul and 'Death' (as we know him) are awefully similar, so to are the Dementors. The placing some of ones power and wealth in reserves is practiced by many, especially including anyone who has a bank account! As for the number of Horcruxes, well, 7 may be seen as a prevalent number in Tolkien's mythology, however, it is for a reason. Tolkien was a very religious(more specifically, Catholic)man. The number 7 is an obvious choice for a novel/s who's main theme's are good vs. evil.
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Post subject: hp stealing from LotR Posted: December 9th, 2005, 9:13 am |
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I think hp copied LotR a lot, but the books are still good.
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Post subject: Posted: December 10th, 2005, 9:46 am |
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It did not.
A quote from another forum (about stealing, copying and thiongs like that):
Quote: there's nothing left (or very little of it) that is truly unique and original...even though many would like to believe that this is not the case, myself included.
But that doesn't mean that it's necessarily stealing. 'Cause that would mean everything is stealing...wouldn't it? In a way...
And this is true for all genres, not just for fantasy... Lol, in my opinion, at least.
Of course, the author can take you into directions you never thought he would...and it can be great...but it still doesn't have to be something completely new...'cause it's more or less all been said and done already...hasn't it?
It's a matter of personal imagination, wit, skill, approach and...who knows what...
Here's an example. I've recently re-read Hornby's "High Fidelity". A great, great book. So...what is he writing about there? Love, sex, being dumped, suffering because of it, music and the redeeming power of it. I bet there's at least 126 other books that deal with this...But the way Hornby does it...that takes skill. I mean, when you read it...it's like you're discovering a whole new world...though, in fact, you're not...Right?
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Post subject: Posted: December 15th, 2005, 10:49 am |
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Very interesting point of view...seriously.
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Post subject: Posted: December 16th, 2005, 11:58 am |
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Post subject: Posted: December 17th, 2005, 6:46 am |
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But? But nothing. As I already said, I'm not here to say "this is right or wrong", but to see what others think. My own opinion is not important here. All I said is that your points of view are interesting and made me see everything from another point.
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Post subject: Posted: July 30th, 2006, 4:08 pm |
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she stole the nazgul idea, the Gandalf idea, the frodo and co idea, and some other ones and i also realized that she stole the name 'longbottom' for her character neville longbottom. in lotr, that's a place somewhere by the shire i think.
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Post subject: Posted: July 30th, 2006, 5:57 pm |
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Post subject: Posted: July 30th, 2006, 9:55 pm |
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I'm back with a tad bit more to say on the subject...
I really can't say that I think JKR really stole from Prof. Tolkien. I'm sure she was inspired by his works, which might have helped her form some of her characters and ideas [it happens with all writers], but I do not think she down right stole the ideas. The two authors are extremely different in respect to writing styles and expressions, but there are some small similarities.
You get similiarities in all writing. It just isn't possible to make something completely different without it coming out fake. You need things to build on or your made up world won't seem real. I've read many books with Elves, trolls, magic, etc. but that doesn't mean that all those authors copied or stole from another persons work, they were inspirated by it.
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Post subject: Posted: July 31st, 2006, 8:48 pm |
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I think J.K. Rowling did what a lot of fantasy authors do - read LotR and couldn't help copying a little, its just so full of awesome stuff. I remember reading that Dumbledore is a name derived from a type of large insect in one of Tolkien's poems (someone correct me if i'm wrong) called a dumbledor, and when I read Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them (or it might have been that Quidditch one, I forget) there was an inn mentioned callec The Green Dragon. Personally, I do not like J.K. Rowling, but I consider this more of a tribute to Tolkien than actual copying.
I don't think you can compare the works at ALL. Rowling was writing a fantasy story for her own and her readers' amusement. Tolkien was writing what he though would be a good mythology for England out of sources that were dear to him, more as a story for himself than for other people to read. This is my take on it, anyway.
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