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Post subject:  Posted: November 10th, 2008, 1:14 pm |
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The thing I want to add, since this conversation is way against the forum rules, is that people are either greedy or don't have enough money themselves to go around. It's not up to the individual to help others in need but to the government. 
I've been 18 for a while now.. so I thought I might join 
Eär: hopw strange it is that in the US you're adult at 18 yet not allowed to buy alcohol.. you might say that you're responsible enough to understand the effects of your actions as an adult..
In my country teens can buy alcohol at 16 (not the strong booze though). They should raise that boundry to 18 I think. Alcohol consumption among teens is a relatively large problem here. _________________
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Post subject: Posted: November 10th, 2008, 1:54 pm |
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Take a look at the constitution Will. It clearly states that the government was to be for nothing other than protecting, punishing evil doers and the likes.
They originaly were not suposed to be involved in welfare, medicare, or any of that stuff. The job of the people was to take care fo their neighbors and be a good friend to those who were in need or unable tocare for themselves.
Most of the people that get benafits however get them not because they can't work, but because they are not willing to work.
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Post subject: Posted: November 10th, 2008, 2:22 pm |
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People, you have already been warned by Kit and you also all already know that political discussion is banned in this forum. If you want to discuss Obama, Socialism, whether or not Obama is a Socialist or any similar topics then please do it else where.
Anyone carrying on these arguments here will be given an offical warning.
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Post subject: Posted: November 10th, 2008, 3:14 pm |
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Young people drinking alchohol is a big problem over here as well Will.
The main reason is because you can buy really cheap-get-yourself-drunk-quickly stuff in all the aupermarkets, which of course are usually open 24 hours. So the amount of opportunities to get drunk are virtually endless.
Plus pubs are open now 24 hours in some places. The idea was to curb excessive drinking by having more hours available, so people wouldn't be throwing it down their throats in a short space of time.... now they do it in a long space of time.
Only the other night, after 4am, I was in the living room watching a DVD, and I heard this roaring noise, so I looked out the window and some bloke was picking up a sandbag which was supporting a workman's roadsign, and staggering all over the place, he threw it into the road and ran off.
As my mum says, it's amazing what drunks gets up to and don't remember, and yet they always find their way home. 
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Post subject: Posted: November 10th, 2008, 3:41 pm |
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It may be that we don't allow 18 year olds to buy alcohol because we aren't completely grown or something? I seem to recall that being told to me. Whether it was true or not, I really don't know.
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Post subject: Posted: November 10th, 2008, 3:45 pm |
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Not allowing 18 year olds to buy alcohol (in my opinion) is for keeping younger people out of trouble, because it seems that many of them can't keep themselves out of trouble.
It's like handing a suicidal person a loaded gun.... doenhs't make sense.
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Post subject: Posted: November 10th, 2008, 3:56 pm |
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I think personally, the age limit should be way higher.
Half the time young people only drink because it goes hand in hand with being seen as something other than a teenager, and they think if legally they can drink that makes them more mature and an adult.
Yeah, right.
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Post subject: Posted: November 10th, 2008, 4:00 pm |
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The reason why alcohol consumption is prohibited until you are of age <b>21</b> in the United States is that studies have been found that a normal human brain does not fully develop until you are 21, after the age of 21, however, your brain tends to deteriorate at a very slow rate. This is why usually advanced thinking and why people are at their academic peak is when they are in their 20's.
Alcohol is a natural depressant so your body generally makes the appropriate amount that is good for your body, but excess alcohol (through consumption) has damaging effects on the brain. Depressants reduce neural activity and slows all your body functions down. It usually inhibits your judgment (which deals with the frontal lobes of your brain) and lowers self-awareness which is why people tend to do very, very stupid things. The frontal lobes also deals with movement and speech so if the alcohol interferes with these lobes, you tend to be clumsy and disoriented while slurring your words.
ETA: I realize I'm not 18, but I just thought I'd put in my two cents for what they're worth.
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Post subject: Posted: November 10th, 2008, 4:43 pm |
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Jax:: I understand that you have very strong and passionate opinions on many subjects and are not afraid to defend them. I truly respect that. And I know we had a good PM-exchange on the election. However, I think we should keep it on a PM-level. I don't agree with you on many points, as I have started earlier, but I refuse to carry on the discussion in public. Not because I'm afraid or incapable of answering for myself, but because this is not the right forum to do so.
As I said, I understand and respect that you are passionate about your opinions, but quite frankly I think you sometimes take it to a level where you put forward your own views and statements with little regard to fellow members' views or their ability to reply and still stay within the forum rules.
I know I don't host this thread nor am I trying to appear annoying or lecture you. I appreciate varied opinions but I don't think we can take the discussion much further and still stay within the rules and guidelines we both agreed on when registering on this lovely board.
Welcome Will... great to see so many new members in such a short time. 
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Post subject: Posted: November 10th, 2008, 4:54 pm |
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^ Lol, it's always nice to see Kit drop in 
Wow, that's something I've never heard before. It still seems like a kind of 'discrimination' to me since the age when you are to become adult in the States is 18. I think that if you're acknowledged as an adult, a person
is also mature enough to handle alcohol consumption responsably.
But I don't think that age limits are the best, or I should say the only way, to handle this problem. Around here you see that teens ask older friends to buy them alcohol in the shops or at parties.
Education, I think, is the most important phase in which adolescents should get familiar with alcohol. If parents teach their kids how to deal with alcohol wisely, by allowing them to drink it some time, then they will also consume it wisely when they are allowed to buy it. t the dangers of alcohol or being drunk these kids are kinda ignorant..
But in my country it's like an unsolvable problem since "anything" is allowed here. Even drugs is permitted so be sold in the so-called coffeeshops. I believe they call that a slipping slope.. (or something ) _________________
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Post subject: Posted: November 10th, 2008, 5:43 pm |
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Johnny's Fan wrote: I think personally, the age limit should be way higher.
Half the time young people only drink because it goes hand in hand with being seen as something other than a teenager, and they think if legally they can drink that makes them more mature and an adult.
Yeah, right.
I agree totally. Alcohol is unhealthy and damaging. (as Kitokey pointed out) Granted there are minute ammounts that dont' seem to have any perminent effects butstill....
Anything that can be edictive and controll you.... why owuld you even want to risk it? (just my opinion)
Ea: I agree. Enough has been said here. And I will freely admit that I do at times express my views without much regard to the views of other people. however that is because there are some things in life that are right and some things that are wrong. There is a definite line between the two. If I do not defend that line and keep it from being blured I am no better than those who blure it themselves.
I do respect everyone elses views. You are all free to hold whatever views you choose. And I will freely admit that my views are not always going tobe right. But I cna't hold back on defending what's true just because I might offend someone. It's inevitable (regardless of what views I have) that they will offend someone.
I won't PM you about it, because I get the feeling you have had enough of my rambling. If you want to PM, though, feel free. (or anyone else)
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Post subject: Posted: November 10th, 2008, 5:56 pm |
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Alcohol in moderation can actually be beneficial especially for older men. For example, one glass of wine a night can greatly reduce the risk of heart disease, stroke, and a heart attack because the alcohol can act as a blood thinner.
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Post subject: Posted: November 10th, 2008, 6:05 pm |
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True, so they say. However, wine is quite different from bear and the likes.
Also i heard that some guy isolated the benaficial stuff in wine and found out you would ahve to drink several bottles a day or somethign toactually make a difference. (dont' knwo for sure... jsut what I heard)
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Post subject: Posted: November 11th, 2008, 7:32 pm |
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Hey guys,
Meph turned 18 last month, but never quite got around to coming into this "adults only " club
Mind if I stick around?
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Post subject: Posted: November 12th, 2008, 12:42 am |
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Hey, congrats on turning 18!!
And sure your welcome, anyone 18 or over is.  Glad to ahve ya
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Post subject: Posted: November 15th, 2008, 9:50 am |
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Mwhahahahaha I have fianlly reached the required age limet for this illustriouse group, though my speeeling is still awful.
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