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I haven't heard anything like that, Will - but perhaps it's because we live in different countries? :erm:

And as for the trailer, I personally think when she's falling down the hole, all of those things flying at you in 3D are going to look so freaking EPIC.

Helena + pig = :lol: "I need a pig here!!!!"

And I truly believe that Alan Rickman and Anne Hathaway have been grossly overlooked when it comes to the trailer... I mean, they are both EXTREMELY talented and yet Johnny and Helena have stolen the spotlight -- not that I mind that in the least. I just hope they both have some ample screen time to make up for it.

And only 13 days until the United States release of the movie! :happy:


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I heard in on tv and found a article which explains the matter somewhat more. ;)

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European cinemas join threat to boycott Alice in Wonderland

Disney's plans for an earlier-than-usual DVD release prompt film exhibitors to consider pulling all Disney films


Opposition to Disney's plans for an earlier-than-usual DVD release of Alice in Wonderland - after it has appeared in cinemas - has spread to mainland Europe, according to Variety.

As reported on this site last week, UK distributors are considering a boycott of Tim Burton's new 3D CGI fantasy over Disney's proposal to release the DVD within 90 days of its cinema release. Usually, there is at least a four-month window between a film's arrival in cinemas and its debut on home video.

Now Holland's four largest exhibitors are reportedly threatening not to show Alice In Wonderland unless Disney backs down. Together Minerva, Pathé, Wolff and Jogchems represent between 80% and 85% of all cinemas in the Netherlands.

Youry Bredewold, who represents both Pathé and Holland's National Board of Cinema Owners, said the distributor's decision was not one which had been taken lightly.

"We will lose money due to our decision," he told AFP. "We expected [Alice] to become one of the most popular movies of 2010. But we decided we need to send a message to the whole industry: If you don't accept our terms, we will never show your movies again."

Meanwhile, Variety says that UK distributors have been mollified by a visit from Disney top brass last week, though an LA Times report today suggests that Vue and Odeon, two of the UK's three major cinema chains, remain undecided over whether to show the film. Disney has reached a deal with a third major chain, Cineworld, according to the newspaper. Industry insiders are said to be split over whether European anger will spread to the US or blow over before Alice in Wonderland's release on 5 March. No American chain has yet threatened to boycott the film, although some have said they will pull it from screens once it hits the home video market. Some Italian firms are also said to be considering their options.

The UK release is particularly vital for Disney because the movie has such strong British roots, and would have been expected to make £40m here. Burton, who lives in London, shot Alice In Wonderland largely in Devon and Cornwall. Apart from Johnny Depp as the Mad Hatter and Australian newcomer Mia Wasikowska as Alice, the film features a largely British supporting cast, including Helena Bonham Carter, Matt Lucas, Stephen Fry, Michael Sheen, Alan Rickman, Christopher Lee and Barbara Windsor.

Disney nevertheless feels that narrowing the release window is vital in the battle against home video piracy. It argues that most people see movies within two months of their theatrical release, but there is then another two-month gap before they can buy the film on DVD, which is exploited by pirates. However, distributors are concerned that they will lose business if the release window is allowed to narrow further, and are also said to be angry because they have recently spent millions of pounds upgrading thousands of screens to show 3D movies.

Bob Chapek, president of distribution for Walt Disney Studios, said on Friday that the company remained "committed to theatrical windows, with the need for exceptions to accommodate a shortened period on a case-by-case basis, such as with Disney's Alice in Wonderland.

"We feel that it's important for us to maintain a healthy business on the exhibition side and a healthy business on the home video side," he added. "We think this is in the best interest of theatre owners, because a healthy movie business is good for them and allows us to invest in high quality, innovative content."


Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2010/feb/17/european-cinemas-boycott-alice-in-wonderland

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^ That will never happen don't you worry about it. There's too many things at stake to lose for either the cinemas to afford not showing it, and the studios to afford it not being shown. ;)

@ Ea - I agree. I have always been disappointed in Alice In Wonderland (although I do like it and the poems are awesome), and I think TB hit the nail on the head about how disjointed it is as a book. I think from a film makers point of view, it wouldn't work if the film was as disjointed (which maybe why I was disappointed when I saw the Disney film for the first time in years last year) so that's most likely why it was a problem for him.

I think they are saving Alan Rickman, it is only a small role and they probably want a mixture of people being surprised he's even in the film and people looking out waiting to see him. I cannot imagine what he looks like. :lol:

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Sorry, fixed my last post with the quote.

Aramel:: I love the Red Queen, what's not to love about people who solve all problems with a "Off with their heads!" :P

Alan Rickman is the voice of the Catarpillar (smoking catarpillar by the way but I'll return to that minor but significant detail later!) and I'm pretty sure it's not any major role that may justify more media-hype or trailer-time.
However, though Johnny Depp may seem to have recieved exaggerated attention, after all the Mad hatter is the narrator in the movie and as far as I can see Tim Burton has made the Mad Hatter more of a leading character too.


Will:: I haven't heard any of this and I'm pretty sure the movie premieres here on March 4 (actually, I've seen our main cinema showing it on March 3 at 11:59 pm. :-)). I hope you get to see it on the big screen too.

Gimli:: True about Tim Burton wanting to make it more of a coherent story... but did you imagine that.. I dunno... that they had to put in a big fight, the White Queen vs. the Red Queen... Alice as The Chosen One? It looks Narnia-ish to me (which isn't fair to the movie but comes solely from my limited imagination :teehee:). I've always seen Alice in Wonderland as a fairly innocent place where people are mad primarily for the sake of our entertainment, secondly, in the tradition of like absurd theater and absurdism where the viewer/reader is made to contemplate the trivialities of being.


And now to the promised catarpillar-story:
The movie has got this rating from American MPAA:
"Rated PG for fantasy action/violence involving scary images and situations, and for a smoking caterpillar."

First of all, allow me with all due respect to express my amusement over the wording.... bear with me, I'm European! Secondly comes my astonishment... is it really necessary to warn against a fantasy/animated character taking an occasional puff of his pibe??? Really??? :-)

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Well... it's a TB film so I can't really judge it based on the trailer. Maybe the battle is a lot smaller than it seems to be. I don't really know. I still think everyone could be mad for the sake of being mad.... but maybe he wanted to explore why and how the Red Queen was ruling over them etc. Just to make it more interesting. I think the book is really quite bland even though it has lots of moments of being just brilliant. I definitelt think it is a book that has a lot of great characters but it needs a bit of a face-lift concerning the story.

Well the caterpillar is smoking a hookah and it is definitely implied in the book and the Disney film that he is somewhat WAHEY due to what he is smoking. So definitely some kind of drug that would have been around in India and in the 1800's. Probably opium I would say.

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Eä wrote:
And not to the promised catarpillar-story:
The movie has got this rating from American MPAA:
"Rated PG for fantasy action/violence involving scary images and situations, and for a smoking caterpillar."

First of all, allow me with all due respect to express my amusement over the wording.... bear with me, I'm European! Secondly comes my astonishment... is it really necessary to warn against a fantasy/animated character taking an occasional puff of his pibe??? Really??? :-)


That's weird no matter what country you're from. :lol: WARNING: SMOKING CATERPILLAR! AVERT YOUR EYES! :teehee:
I actually read an article lately about MPAA ratings, and how they have to try so hard to keep everybody happy. (It's --here-- if you want to read it. :)) It mentions a group of anti-smoking activists who want an R rating for any movie with smoking in it. My guess is it's that kind of pressure that makes them feel they need to mention that the caterpillar smokes.

Anyway, I'm really excited to see this movie. :happy: I always felt the same way about Alice in Wonderland as Tim Burton did, so I'm looking forward to see how he's "fixed" it, in a sense. :) And plus, it's got so many great actors!

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I didn't like the story when I was a kid. I found it scary and oddly ... sorta floating... I couldn't put it in a box, put a label on it.. and I think it scared me... that I wasn't able to grasp and place it. Basically, in Lewis Carroll's book it was just mad characters doing wierd stuff in their own detached worlds. When I grew older I was able to get more out of the story. But let's see what's on Mr. Burton's creative mind. :-)

Also, the ganja-situation is very likely to have whized over my innocent head because seriously, a pipe-smoking catarpillar, how unlikely isn't that in itself! :P

Taur:: I know... "and for a smoking catarpillar." is still one of the funniest things I've read in days! I read your article and frankly, I find these moral campaigns very silly, or misguided might be the better adjective. It's like they twist and turn themselves around issues they can't avoid or control in the real world. It's already a lost cause, IMHO. But I respect this is not the place to discuss it. :-)

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What I want to know is...

Who is that gorgeous guy with the eye patch? If he's going to be a villain then I am there supporting him baby!

No doubt he will die like all my villains do, but keep them comin'. :D

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What I want to know is...

Who is that gorgeous guy with the eye patch? If he's going to be a villain then I am there supporting him baby!

No doubt he will die like all my villains do, but keep them comin'. :D

I noticed him too and was like... what another human dude? And then my thought pattern instantly returned to Narnia.. no matter how hard I tried to fight it... tsk tsk. :P

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He is the Knave Of Knights, played by Crispin Glover (Marty McFly's dad in the Back to the Future films).

Yay for eye patch wearing bad guys! :D

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This is odd... I'm pretty sure I didn't quote your last post when replying... I usually don't bother quoting when I reply directly under the post... very strange...

So is he a human dude or just human-looking dude from a pack of cards?

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You may just have pressed the wrong button or AU could be having a hissy fit. :P

I think he is a human dude with a card name. I think his real name is Staynon or something and the Knave of Hearts is his title.

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Staynon?? Seriously, now there is no doubt in my mind he's a baddie... no good guy with a reputation would ever be known as Staynon. :P

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Has anyone seen the clips they released recently? Helena is so funny! Nearly everything she does sets me laughing. I love the one where she interrogates the frogs. :lol:

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Taur:: I know... "and for a smoking catarpillar." is still one of the funniest things I've read in days! I read your article and frankly, I find these moral campaigns very silly, or misguided might be the better adjective. It's like they twist and turn themselves around issues they can't avoid or control in the real world. It's already a lost cause, IMHO. But I respect this is not the place to discuss it. :-)

Okay. :) I wasn't trying to start a political discussion on morals or anything, just trying to find an explanation for their bizarre wording. :P

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Oh please post them, must see more Helena, Preciousss. :P

Yes, I know you weren't Taur and I loved reading the article. :-) But I realised the political nature of my own reply and how it might be offending to someone not sharing my opinion.

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Be glad too. :D They're at IMDb: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1014759/videogallery
Johnny looks great, too. I can't get over the weirdness of his eyes. They're so creepy!

Ah, I see. :) I'm glad you enjoyed the article!

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