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DARKastheRAIN
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 Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:44 am Post subject: Is there hope of redemption for Fëanor?
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In the Shaping of Middle-earth is published a prophecy of Mandos concerning the end of the world. There's a line in there concerning Fëanor.
I'm not sure if this is the exact quote or not, I found it on-line, I don't have the book right now but I'm pretty sure it said pretty much the same thing:
"Then the Pelóri Mountains will be levelled, the three Silmarils will be recovered from the Earth, sea, and sky, and Fëanor's spirit shall be released from the halls of Mandos to give them to Yavanna, who will break them and rekindle the light of the Two Trees."
So does this mean that Fëanor will become good again in the end? Giving the Silmarils to Yavanna and letting her smash them seems like a pretty reformed action considering how he reacted to the idea the first time, doesn't it?
It never specifically says that he's gonna do it willingly though. But surely it doesn't mean that the Valar are going to force Fëanor to give them to her and then chuck him out into the void after Morgoth.
So I can only hope that it means, however many ages it take, he'll eventually get over his predominant dark side and see the light.
And if there's hope for Fëanor, there's got to be hope for Maedhros, right?  . He wasn't anywhere near even half as bad. |
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Aerlinn
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I don't have the books here atm, so I can't be of any use... 
But it does sound like a good way to end the Fëanor story. I imagine he had plenty of time to think about how little beautiful things are really worth (even if they're unique and shiny and powerful) - I mean, I would probably become less materialistic from not having a body..
I don't think it's very likely Fëanor would be forced to hand his Silmarils over. After all, he's supposedly released from Mandos - why would you release someone if you aren't willing to give them a choice? If he were forced, it would make more sense for them to keep him bodyless - he'd already started a war or two when still embodied. I don't think they'd take the risk. And since giving the Silmarils away would make the Oath meaningless I do think that means the seven'd be free of it too.  Which means Maedhros! Wee!
Though to be honest, I've always thought at least Maedhros and Maglor wouldn't have to wait until the end of the world to be re-embodied again. After all, neither of them liked the Oath once the consequenses became apparent. They both seemed to regret it, and Maglor cast his jewel in the sea, so you could say he relinquished it to the Valar already. Maedhros commited suicide, or actually more like euthnasia and didn't seem to plan on handing anything over - but well, he wasn't really a bad person.... *soft spot*
I certainly do think Amrod was granted mercy - after all, he was killed before he could start doing a lot of killing and leaving Oath-damage... |
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mephiston, lord of death
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| Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: Is there hope of redemption for Fëanor?
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| DARKastheRAIN wrote: | In the Shaping of Middle-earth is published a prophecy of Mandos concerning the end of the world. There's a line in there concerning Fëanor.
I'm not sure if this is the exact quote or not, I found it on-line, I don't have the book right now but I'm pretty sure it said pretty much the same thing:
"Then the Pelóri Mountains will be levelled, the three Silmarils will be recovered from the Earth, sea, and sky, and Fëanor's spirit shall be released from the halls of Mandos to give them to Yavanna, who will break them and rekindle the light of the Two Trees."
So does this mean that Fëanor will become good again in the end? Giving the Silmarils to Yavanna and letting her smash them seems like a pretty reformed action considering how he reacted to the idea the first time, doesn't it?
It never specifically says that he's gonna do it willingly though. But surely it doesn't mean that the Valar are going to force Fëanor to give them to her and then chuck him out into the void after Morgoth.
So I can only hope that it means, however many ages it take, he'll eventually get over his predominant dark side and see the light.
And if there's hope for Fëanor, there's got to be hope for Maedhros, right? . He wasn't anywhere near even half as bad. |
Well, in this case, there's no more morgoth hanging around spreading lies and half truths, which despite his will and self pride tainted his viewpoint. He'll have seen the ruin that the quest to retrieve them caused, and I think several ages in Mandos to dwell on it, with the spirit of his father, as well of many fallen eldar there too, will have softened him somewhat. In any case, there will be very little choice, since it is a prophecy of Mandos, and they come true, since he is the doomsman of th eValar.
As for Maehdros, well, there was no real problem with him per se from the Valar's point, I mean, his family forsook its right to the silmarils with its evil deeds, and the only reason that he went on to defy this was because of the oath. But, with Feanor back, and Im sure the valar and Eru willing to allow him to recant the oath, that issue should be gone.
But ultimately, willing or no, it will happen. Even if Feanor refused till the end of time, Im sure that Manwe would eventually just force him to. But I reckon that even the spirit of fire would not be so fierce, and abide by such a decision, not that it would be a decision, less soemthing that would happen. |
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