Joined: 27 February 2006 Posts: 11433 Location: My Imagination Country: Gender: Female
Okay, so I skimmed this last page...
I just got home from the midnight premeir in my area.
It was awesome! Well... at least Jack is awesome!
Spoiler alert!!!!!
In my opinion, it trails too far from the first one... so much magic and stuff... And they gave hints to alot of little things never explained or developed. Like Blackbeard's magic and zombies(3 ugly guys that cant die basically). And Cruiz/Depp? Jack shows feelings and unintrest at the same time while Cruiz just seems like an angry seductress
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Woo I went to the mid-night premier last night and it was AWESOME! It's way different form the first three. It was nice to see the franchise can stand on it's own without Will and Elizabeth.
Spoilers
I loved Barbossa! His peg leg had rum in it . And I liked having Groves and Gillet back from the first movie.
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I'm going to see this tomorrow, and while I have no expectations for it I can't help feeling a little nervous. [Yes, apparently I have no life as I get anxious about films nowadays...] I've read some negative reviews on the lack of Johnny/Penelope chemistry and the out of place moral conflicts experienced by secondary characters. I guess I'll either love it or hate it. *shrugs* Wish me luck.
The good stuff: -Blackbeard was SO COOL! -JUDI DENCH! -Barbossa being completely and utterly amazing. AND keeping rum in his leg! -Gillette's- Eddie Izzard-esque- 'Do You have a Flag' moment -Penelope Cruz with a Moustache! - The Spainish coming to "save the day!" -The Mutiny was hilarious -Scrubb! -BLACKBEARD AGAIN
The not so good stuff:
I enjoyed it, but it didn't seem like a PotC film to me, rather that someone had taken some of the characters and played around with them to make their own story. I missed all of the running jokes like Parley and 'Bloody Pirates, as well as most of the reccuring characters- even those in Jack's crew like Mr Cotton and his Parrot. I also found most of the new characters pretty one dimensional- it was perfect for Blackbeard, but it made Angelica and the Christian boy really boring characters. It also bothered me it was only sort of based in the Carribbean- the stuff in England was cool, but it didn't seem like the same world as the other films. And I found all of the romance stuff really unbelievable as if it was forced in.
So all in all, I think that there was some really good moments and characters, but I do think that they've pushed the franchise too far, as it doesn't stand up to the quality of the other 3 films....
Oh and Disney please don't make a 5th or 6th film!
Joined: 27 February 2006 Posts: 11433 Location: My Imagination Country: Gender: Female
Spoilers to follow!!!
What I'd like to know is what happened to Will and Elizabeth?? I'm not sure if anyone else spotted it, but when Cruiz/Angelica is showing Jack the ships in the glass bottles the first one they zoom up on is the Flying Dutchman. And I know it's the Flying Dutchman... it just has that very distinctive bow.
But yes, Barbossa, Jack, and Blackbeard were totally the best parts of the movie. This is deffinantly one of those I wouldn't love, and in some aspects don't like it, but there are the moments that are loved.
But is it just me or whenever there's a serious moment or something, Jack pauses and makes it actually a funny moment?
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I saw it last night.. I'm a little sceptical and not completely happy...
SPOILERS
- Why wasn't I amused about the whole chase of Jack in London but found it rather misplaced and awkward.. I think it lacked humour (I found it rather silly) and a bit of edge (it never really doubted that Jack would get away).
- What was up with the guy in the opening scene? He was dead, or no he was not.. but he wanted to see the king so he could rasp Ponce de Leon and then die with an old map in his boney hands??? Just wierd...
- Why did Blackbeard keep zombies?
- What kind of powers did Blackbeard (or the captain of Queen Anne's Revenge) have over ... robes?
- I liked the mermaid scene but why did the mermaid get legs once she was out of water?
- What was the whole deal with the religious guy? It felt very forced, like they were trying to force an extra dimension onto the storyline and then failed to follow up. The Philip/mermaid relationship was beautiful but it just felt kinda out of place and probably was heavily cut...
- Why didn't they make use of Ian McShane's huge potential and just had him walking around like a menace that never got explained. He was one of the greatest pirates ever, played by a one of the greatest actors.. why didn't they use that potential?
- I missed the witty dialogue and running jokes but most of all I missed a geniune interest in the characters... why should I care if they got to the Fountain of Youth (which was beautifully made by the way)? I never really got to know the backstory of Blackbeard or Angelica.. and what was with the Spanish?
- Missed Captain Jack Sparrow... There should be a Captain in there somewhere.. Too many captains in the kitchen.. or on the ships... err.. arr.. whatever!
Joined: 10 July 2005 Posts: 23149 Location: Where there are handsome heroes and sexy villains.. all that need some lovin' ;) Country: Gender: Female
I've just back from seeing this as well.
HERE THERE BE SPOILERS!!
Ok, let's cut to the chase. Was this as good as the other three, more speficially COTBP? No, it wasn't. Was this a worthy 4th film in a series which MOST people would have been quite happy to see end after the original? You betcha.
No, it wasn't as funny as the other films (although if you think about it considering DMC and AWE were very heavy in some places AWE especially this was like the good ol' days) when the humour was there it was very, very funny and something else I liked, very subtle. [the moment when we see Barbossa pouring rum into his teacup and daintily stabbing an apple slice with a fork, his little finger sticking out for me, was the best scene in the film]. I know I was certainly smiling a lot, mainly because it was great to see Jack doing what he does best, running rings round everyone else saving the day.
The story actually was quite boring because...... IT COULD BE EASILY UNDERSTOOD! Huzzah! No complicated curses to work out or who controls what and whom or who has to stab this to do that. Simply, three groups of people wanting the FOY and this being clearly exaplained. No sidetracks, no going off to do this and then getting involved in something else before you can go back and do whatever it was you were doing before. I think maybe if anything, this film lacked more things that needed to be done before the ultimate deed. We know Blackbeard had 2 weeks, which didn't invoke great urgency I don't think. It would have been better if simply "I need to get this done asap as I've just learned of this prophecy", thus giving more time for things to be done.
I didn't actually notice until reading the above, that I guess Jack was really Captain Jack Sparrow in this film - but that has happened before when he has been without a ship - he was still Captain Jack just the characters he met didn't call him that.
I didn't mind the relationship between him and Angelica - I thought it worked rather well. Her fiery temper suited his not so fiery character and I definitely think if she is to be brought back their chemistry will get better (did Will and Elizabeth have good chemistry in COTPB? I think not).
I loved Blackbeard. I thought he was a great character. It didn't matter that we didn't understand the how and the why's of his powers, we knew he was a badass and that you don't tangle with him. I really liked his entrance with the smoking beard and the theme they have him. (Also liked the choral music for the fight between him and Barbossa). I suppose though, even with his magic sword, you still have a hard act to follow after Davy Jones and Cutler Beckett (although the idea that Blackbeard can take ships like he did the Pearl and turn it against those who sail on her... *shivers* ... very creepy... would have liked to have seen that actually) because I guess his legend is one of just being a fearsome pirate more than Davy Jones.
BARBOSSA!!!!! Seriously, I'm a groupie. I could not believe my powdered wig when I saw him in the King's uniform for the first time but inside I was cheering when he put his old hat back on at the end (a very Jack Sparrow moment I thought). It was great to see him and Jack sharing some screen time as for a while I thought it was going to end with them both spending most of the film apart which would have made me sad. I loved the bit when they were both on the bed together with the dead dude and he's watching them. Doesn't matter why or how, it was just funny
I actually liked the London scenes - wow, they did an awesome job re-creating 19th century London. Visually stunning. I LOVED Jack's escape on the carriage, very funny. The judge scene to me, was a little bit OTT and not believable... although anyone can be bribed. Poor Gibbs.
While it would have been nice to have seen old faces, it was actually explained for once, a reasonable excuse for the absence being what happened to the Pearl. The chances I think of a) they having joined the King's Navy and just happened to be selected to go on Babossa's mission are slim or b) happening to be in the right place at the right time and signing up for Fake Jack's venture are even slimmer. Scrubb was good though, you have to give him that.
Mermaid scene = love. I really did like the idea of the mermaids and it was spooky without being scary. I did like the romance between Philip and Serena but I agree, it was just tagged onto the film for the sake of it. There was obviously never an intention of having them stick around to help Jack etc so they either shouldn't have been there OR make them a real part of the story.
So yeah... I had no expectation for this film whatsoever and I was pleasantly surprised. I am looking forward to seeing what they do in the future.
Sorry, my last post was kinda rushed since I had to leave.. I be back to elaborate (and I spell/typo/writing checked my last post ).
Let me echo Lembas: JUDI DENCH!!! *epic* Like I said.. the movie was great entertainment in general without the expectations to a Pirates of the Caribbean movie... however, I couldn't help having certain PotC expectations.. and so there were a lot of things that disappointed me...
I think generally I missed more tension and danger, more adrenaline and a general lack of jumping in my seat or biting my nails in anticipation of what was to come. That's what I meant with it lacking edge and danger. I didn't care enough for the plot and the characters... or whether anyone got to the Fountain. I watched them for the race to get there.. without really caring who got there.. whereas in the earlier movies like CotBP I was on the edge of my seat when they got to the Maya gold to lift the curse. And there was something at stake for Jack in DMC when he had to kill Davy Jones or serve a lifetime on the Dutchman.
In relation to JF's 'it could be easily understood'-comment.. I think I follow you there.. Although, I admit I'm not a fan of complicated, entangled plotlines ( ) I think you have a point. There were so many different parties with different motivations to get to the Fountain and I think they could have elaborated more on them.
I LOVED Barbossa... his wig and his faking being a royal privateer... WIN!
The London scenes were funny.. they were some of the best of the movie.. but I just found it silly that it all came down to Jack wanting a cake... (Scrat from Ice Age, anyone). We've seen before that the English do have the ability to be cunning and strict and arrest people and hang them if they want to.. so slapstick is great... but with a purpose, please!
I'm not sure what I think of Angelica.. or Angelica/Jack and Angelica/Blackbeard... I liked the subtleness and that you never knew who was on whose side.. and then again it was too obvious that Blackbeard didn't care about Angelica when it came down to a choice between himself and her...
The thing about the lack of a real Captain... When I think about it might have something to do with the power balance in the movie or whatever dramaturgical buttons you have.. There were three equally legendary captains and they had the same intentions and reputation to tend to.. In the other movies you had an Elisabeth Swann starting out as a doll and going all feminist pirate wench, a Will Turner starting out as a righteous dude stepping up and taking lead and becoming a pirate. There were the obviously larger than life baddies.. Davy Jones (although he did it all for luuuve) and Cutler Beckett who was cool and cynical but driven by greed .. which is always interesting.
Umm.. and did they really kill of Blackbeard.. already?? No.. right? Such a waste...
All in all.. I think they should have been more focused.. There were too many great characters (Jack, Blackbeard, Barbossa, Angelica) for them to focus properly.. And it would have been interesting if they explored the layers these characters obviously have. I was also hoping for more witty dialogue and interaction between the characters... And they did talk about redemption and had the theme of Blackbeard and Angelica wanting to save her daddy and Philip the religious guy... but never used those hints dropped to tie an end...Too many great sub-plots they could have explored but in taking bits and pieces of everything nothing really got interesting... And then there was the mythologies and legends... they were merely hinted to.. Blackbeard's magic and his reputation, using legendary mermaids (any sailor's fear and fascination)... zombies..
@Lembas: Yeah, I saw the video before.. luuv The Lonely Island.
Joined: 10 July 2005 Posts: 23149 Location: Where there are handsome heroes and sexy villains.. all that need some lovin' ;) Country: Gender: Female
I was reading last night that the producers felt the previous films just got bigger and bigger and that they had to scale back because they literally couldn't make it bigger. And I suppose after DMC and AWE it was a kind of anti-climax, but at the same time what they did makes perfect sense. POTC certainly never started out like a LOTR epic, but by AWE it almost was. And it's odd that while a lot of us probably at one time complained about the double/triple twists in the other films that caused it to be complicated but also FULL of stuff going on, now that's not there.... that is also cause for complaint. Go figure.
I think the makers were actually being conservative with the whole thing, to see what can and can't be done for the next one. I suppose, if this was the first POTC film ever, we'd all be jumping around. So it's tough on the producers that it is following a very good act.
Haha. I never really knew that the whole King George escape was for the cake. I just thought he wanted out and at the same time, he managed to get his cake.
Joined: 03 June 2005 Posts: 13144 Location: Heaven: Rockin' with Severus Snape Country: Gender: Female
Saw it earlier today, and to echo JF, I too was pleasantly surprised.
I haven't really got an epic long review to write, but I will jot down a few points.
Pros: - shorter film with one easy to follow plot line - Barbossa, Jack, Gibbs, and Blackbeard were all excellent! - The humour blew me away! Some of it was obvious, but most was implicit, witty and flew right over some of the younger audience members' heads. [Just my type of humour!] - Missionary kid + mermaid = my new OTP [sorta, it was cute]. - The soundtrack - The general homages to past PotC films including character nuances, plot twists, and other familiarities that reminded me again and again that yes, we were indeed watching another PotC film 4 years after we thought they'd ended.
Cons: - The supernatural aspects of the film, mostly the zombies. That weirded me out. - The religious/moral undertones. Sure, it fit with the story, but in some way it also felt completely out of place. - Lack of familiar secondary characters. - Lack of Will and Elizabeth - seriously, Angelica just didn't do it for me. - Lack of chemistry between Jack and Angelica. They did have some hilarious moments together though, particularly that last bit on the island. - Lastly, I MISS NORRINGTON!!
Neutral: - Judi Dench?!
That's it. I honestly wouldn't mind if Disney decided to make a fifth movie as long as it were good. And as long as JD and Geoffrey Rush are in it!
I went to see the movie again I <3 it so much . I didn't really have any expectations for this film going in (I mean when I saw it the first time ) so I wasn't disappointed at all.
Although what was up with Gillet looking constipated in every scene he's in LOL. He just looks so uncomfortable.
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By the way, what did you all think of the scene after the credits? (for those who haven't seen it you can find it on YouTube in all kinds of varying qualities). Angelica wasn't particularly happy about Jack when he left her on the island so what does her finding the woodoo doll suggest?
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. And I liked having Groves and Gillet back from the first movie.
Poor Gibbs. 
) I think you have a point. There were so many different parties with different motivations to get to the Fountain and I think they could have elaborated more on them.
