Hello everyone ,Wow! I likewise did not think of Tom Bombadil being his own master. I also need to re-read The Fellowship. Can I find more information about the Maias and Valar in The Simarillion? Thanks to all for the interesting questions.
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That is pretty much what The Silmarillion is all about. Well, there is a lot of other stuff but, a lot of it has to do with the Valar and Maia.

The Silmarillion is basically about the Valar and the Maiar,and how Middle-earth came to be.

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I just want to say that I love Tom Bombadil, and I would say something to start another conversation, but I can't think of anything. Oh, well.

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i always thought tom bombadil was funny

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I don't think he's funny, exactly....He makes me laugh for the same reason the Elves (books) make me smile. He......is. I can't really explain it....He has joy in all creation.

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I'm very fond of the poems from Tom at the back of the Tolkien Reader.

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Yes. I like the first one best, though. the second one I found rather boring, somehow. but the first expressed Tom Bombadil so well : the Master, of wood, water, and hill. And almost -- not quite -- how he came to be that.

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I see that you guys have throughly discussed this, but I have another question (If this is somewhere else, I apologize) Who's older; Fangorn (treebeard) or Bombadil? I believe Glorfindel says Bombadil would fall 'last as he was first,' but Gandalf says something about Treebeard being 'the oldest living creature in Middle-Earth. what's going on?

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^Well, Gandalf might have been talking about Ents in general, but also, the Old Forest and Fangorn as known as the few remnants of the great woods that once spread out all over Middle-earth. It's possible that Bombadil and Treebeard have some sort of connection.

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That's true, I didn't really think of that. Thank you.

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^Just to add a little bit to what Miri was saying, I say-
The Ents are indeed very old, and so is Bombadil, so as she said there may be a connection. But, I've read in one of Tolkiens letters that even the Elves [and maybe the Valar] did not know when Tom came into existence. Tom may also be a personification for nature, so whenever the world was created Tom was created also.

So Tom isn't... a creature? He's like... nature personified. I suppose that makes sense.

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I guess it depends on how you look at it. You might see him as a living breathing creature, but I might see him as a personification of nature. It's just whatever you believe, there is no right or wrong answer.

Btw, one of our moddies first came up with the idea of Tom being a personification of nature. I believe it was Arsarniel... thanks for that idea!

I think you're right actually. Iarwain is nature personified. It has a nice ring to it.

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