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PostPosted: March 16th, 2006, 2:13 pm 
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dont worry - i already joined! i want to be evacuated!!!!!!!! it would be sooooooooooooooooooooooo cool!

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well actually the attack is kinda USA`s own fault, USA threatened Japan with an ending of trade from the americas to Japan(or something like that) unless they moved out of China...

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I think the attack on Pearl Harbor was a lasp in the Japanese army's judgement. I mean how could they think we would just let them bomb our navy and not do anything? I know we were in "nuetrality", I put that in quotes because we were sending aide the allies, but I mean come on, it's stupid to think that you can bomb a country and think they are just going to sit back and go oh well to bad for us, better luck next year Pearl Harbor. @_@. It was also stupid for Hitler to declare war on the U.S. when we were still neutral. He should have known that a new batch of fresh soliders would have caused him more problems than it was worth. And it did, He lost the war, although it was actually the soviets who got to Berlin first.


Oh interesting fact I learned today about Hitler before WWII. He actually signed a peace agreement with Stalin, even though he hated the communist. He thought he could sign a treaty sancitoning off sections of Poland, and maybe some other eastern european countries, to Germany and Russia, and then he could eventually take Russa over. Funny thing is Stalin thought the same thing about Germany.


I wouldn`t say that they were stupid besides if pearl harbour would have been more succesful then USA would have been screw seriously, Japan was a superpower and had a big fleet. It was going for the allied colonies to expand it`s power and what a great feat that would have been to the land of the rising sun!

Secondly, not a peace treaty it was the molotov ribbentrop agreement, which first looked to the rest of the world as a non aggression pact, but with this held a secret document agreeging about the dividing of eastern europe between Germany & USSR. Latvia, Estonia, eastern parts of poland, Lithuania and Finland was for the USSR(so practicly the germans sold us out first since they had been our kind of supporters before you see and had sent aid to the civil war you see. So that kinda made our backstabbing justified). The western most parts of Poland(which actually was the most) went to Germany...

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We were doing WW11 today it was really good!


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I think Roosevelt waited for Pearl Harbour. I think he had evidence about it, but wanted an excuse to get into the war so he let it happen.

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I don't quite think that's true. Though there was tension between the two countries, I don't think they knew much about Pearl Harbor before it happened. Remember, the US was neutral until the attack on Pearl Harbor and they did not want to get into the war in the first place. If the US really wanted to, they would have done so and not have let something like PH happen.

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I don't quite think that's true. Though there was tension between the two countries, I don't think they knew much about Pearl Harbor before it happened. Remember, the US was neutral until the attack on Pearl Harbor and they did not want to get into the war in the first place. If the US really wanted to, they would have done so and not have let something like PH happen.


I am not so sure... and I like conspiricy theories so... Mwahaha! The theory is that FDR actually knew quite a bit and had a good deal of intelligence on Pearl Harbor, but would not go to war with out the "consent" of the American people. He really wanted to go aid the Allies in Europe, but the American public did not want to go and he needed a good reason to launch them into it. Thus, instead of warning people about the possible attack, he allowed it to happen so that the American popular opinion would be turned to pro-war and we could therefore enter it.

Such is the theory. Considering all that went on in his administration and all the powers he acrued to the office of president... I wouldn't rule it out. I might not put much stock in it, but I wouldn't rule it out.

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True, it is a believable one. :) But I think I'll stick with what my history books say. :P Though, it is possible...

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Believable, but tell me this: As a leader you are going to let the new enemy sink almost the whole pacific fleet and kill your own countrymen? No I don`t think so, besides he would have had the USA join in the war anyway surely since USA just couldn`t still and watch Britain stranding on its island while its colonies were under attack...

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But, the American public was still mostly against going into the war and it might have been too late once they decided it was time to go in.

Again, it is but a theory... fun to think about.
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Okay, prepare to potentially be sidetracked: since it is St. Patricks day (and this is the history club) who knows what about St. Patrick?

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Not... St.Patricks day doesn`t really say anything to me...

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Really... let me enlighten you!

Patrick lived in England not too long after Rome fell (if memory serves correctly) and the Irish attacked the village where he lived, carrying him off to Ireland to be a slave. He was pretty miserable, understandably, but remembered what his father had told him about God. When he got to Ireland he became a shepherd and while he was tending sheep he would pray and so forth, trying to get closer to God. One day the opportunity arose for him to run away, so he did and went back to England. While in England he had a dream/ was led, to return to Ireland and preach to the people there. At that time the Irish were druids. (sp?) He returned and (to make a long story short) convinced the king to turn to turn from the druids and drove the druids from Ireland.

That's the short of it.

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Neat. :) Anyone know much about four-leaf clovers? There's only one four leaf clover to 10,000 three leaf clovers. :P And each leaf of a four-leaf clover means something different: Faith, Hope, obviously luck and I think the last one is happiness. One mans collected thousands from a prison yard.

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Neat. :) Anyone know much about four-leaf clovers? There's only one four leaf clover to 10,000 three leaf clovers. :P And each leaf of a four-leaf clover means something different: Faith, Hope, obviously luck and I think the last one is happiness. One mans collected thousands from a prison yard.


Unless you have federal funding, I think prisoners are the only ones that have time to figure that out.

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Really... let me enlighten you!

Patrick lived in England not too long after Rome fell (if memory serves correctly) and the Irish attacked the village where he lived, carrying him off to Ireland to be a slave. He was pretty miserable, understandably, but remembered what his father had told him about God. When he got to Ireland he became a shepherd and while he was tending sheep he would pray and so forth, trying to get closer to God. One day the opportunity arose for him to run away, so he did and went back to England. While in England he had a dream/ was led, to return to Ireland and preach to the people there. At that time the Irish were druids. (sp?) He returned and (to make a long story short) convinced the king to turn to turn from the druids and drove the druids from Ireland.

That's the short of it.


Well that I didn`t know, but we kinda have our own saint for that... All tough they came to finland offering a cross or a sword, darn swedes then took over, but in anycase Bishop Henrik supposedly spreaded faith here and he was(supposedly) slain by a peasant named Lalli for Henrik had went to Lallis house and taken all the food he needed.

After Henrik left Lalli appeared and heard the news from his wife, Lalli got pissed took an axe and went after. He caught up over the iced Kyöliö lake, Henrik ordered his servant to hide and to bury his body after the angry man was gone since Lalli was gaining on them. Then Lalli killed Henrik... he has that kinda martyr position... Ironically Lalli was a christian himself i think

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I've come to save the history club again, from a page.. well lets just not say which page shall we? I think so...

All I know about four-leaf clovers is they are dratted hard to find!!

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Ty for that!... eh any suggestions about what we might speak of?

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