First off, this is not a war between Arwen and Eowyn so that's why I didn't put vs. Now you are here to discuss the two characters Arwen and Eowyn. Listen to one another and think before you post. I've seen threads like these get way out of hand so that is why I am taking the time to write this big fat introduction. Remeber, niether character is BETTETR, it is which you yourself PREFER. If you do not find a character to your interest, do not go around and around in circles trying to change anothers opinion about her.

You may also post any questions you have of either character and I'm sure someone would be happy to anwer it. Respect one another and no rude language and if someone corrects you be glad instead of mad.

Now I will be keeping a close eye on this thread to make sure it doesn't get out of hand and will check up often. Well, that's the most I can think of at the moment.

Now go politely clobber each other.

This was my 300th post, ironic.

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So when it comes to E & A my feelings are always at war well, Eowyn is freespirit - a bit like me. wild, uncontrolable, but sometimes sad and desperate. Arwen on the other side is kinda princess - good, peaceful girl, always behaving like a ME woman should, she's beautiful (well, Eowyn is too), adored ... perfect MAry Sue, eh? and she has a complicated fate ... well, I prefer Eowyn. at least she kills the nazgul as*hole. hehe...

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I prefer Eowyn but I don't dislike Arwen...the movie turned me off from her but this is book discussion so I do like Arwen. I have more to say but I'll come back later...I'm very tired

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I'll have to say, my "favourite" is going to have to be Arwen.
I'm a romantic, and what Arwen did, when she gave up her immortality for Aragorn just made me a bit tearful!
I know Eowyn is strong and courageous, and I do like her character a lot, but I still like Arwen more.

Both females are stunningly described in the books, and played by better people in the films, I like both the characters a lot!

There, hope I didn't cause any arguments to arise!

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*breathes a sigh of relief*

Good thing you're watching this thread, Arien, because this is one of the most heated topics around here.

Politely saying, I prefer Eowyn for the fact that she defies the traditional idea that men are the strong ones, and that women are good for nothing but bearing children and keeping the house in check. I've always liked this kind of attitude, and Eowyn is a good role model, as she personifies the idea that women can do anything and everything.

Arwen - she's okay, and I will not say that I like her only because she is beautiful, because I don't. I like her in a way that she's willing to make sacrifices - but I in the movies, I liked it much better when she was rescuing Frodo from the Wraiths in FotR - she seemed more out there - and then in TTT and RotK, it's like she changed in a way that she became more of a reserved kind of person.

Still, I do like Eowyn better. (Er - why didn't we bring in Galadriel into this thread and have a three-women discussion? )

And all of this is strictly my opinion only.

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I must say that in the book I like Arwen a tad bit more than Eowyn.

Many of you have a very good point when it comes to Eowyn, that she goes against what a traditional woman would do and goes off to fight amongst the men.

But I must say that Arwen also went against what a traditional elf woman would do-which is marry an elven man, but instead she goes against what her father has told her may happen and remains optimistic that Aragorn will come for her. I too am more of romantic so that is another reason I like Arwen more. Her story is based solely upon the fact that she is giving up her immortality for the man she loves which is something an elf would never do (except in beren and Luthiens case).

lol, then I'll start the Galadriel part.

I wouldn't say that I love Galadriel, but I like her with all due respect. But I think Sam puts what I feel about her best, when he's talking about the elves:
"They seem a bit above my likes and dislikes, so to speak... It don't seem to matter what I think about them."


Now to Arwen and Eowyn.

I think it's unfair to compare them. Each of them is so lovely and strong in their own way, but you have to remember: Eowyn being a Warrior is not her only virtue. I mean, at the end of RotK, she gives up wishing to be one:

"I will be a shieldmaiden no longer, nor vie with the great Riders, nor take joy only in the songs of slaying. I will be a healer, and love all things that grow and are not barren"

I love the character of Eowyn for her own theme of redemption. She comes to realize that there's more to life than war and glory in battle, and that sometimes, valour without renown, as is often the woman's part, is harder and more noble than the glory and gore of battle.

So, I also love Arwen for the fact that she's a heroine who knows she doesn't have to go into battle to be strong. She is brave to the point of facing certian death, when she gives up her immortality for Aragorn's sake.

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lol Thanks. I want let anything go under my watch.

I highly agree on the Eowyn comment. I think that is what most people think who prefer, her but they don't know how to state it so it becomes an argument that goes around in circles with everyone trying to say what they really mean.

Yes, after seeing Arwen in Flight to the Ford, she sort of goes into hiding after that. I found it quite a change. I can see why Tolkien didn't put her in the book for that scene then.

The reason I didn't put Galadriel in this discussion is because in order to have a three woman discussion, each character would have had to have some sort of parallel and Galadriel and Eowyn don't were as Arwen and Eowyn have Aragorn. And Arwen and Galadriel are both elves and related. She seems too wise and older then both of them put together.



Very true. It goes right along with Elberethsq's point of Eowyn.



This part is very true, though it kind of cracked me up. Jsut a couple seconds ago she was all shieldmaiden and now it's all feminine and completely the opposite. It's as if someone put a spell on her all of a sudden.



Very true. Though sadly not everyone sees that.



That's an awesome reason and great support because it's entirely ture that the only strength is not physical strength but there are many other forms, yet some fail to see that.

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Even though Arwen is not very present in the books I always prefered her more than Eowyn. I do like Eowyn a lot, she's brave, curagious and yet graceful. But there's just something about Arwen that I really really love. Perhaps because she reminds me so much of Lady Luthien - giving up her immortality for the love of a mortal man - which is one of my favorite Middle-Earth characters. I love reading the appendicies on Aragorn and Arwen. I can't really explain it though

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I couldn't have put it better than how Arsarniel described her thought towards the Elves. Sam's quote epitomizes the Elves and the way I feel about them.
As I've said on other Arwen/Eowyn threads (though I appreciate the fact that this one is NOT a 'vs.' conversation!!), comparing the two of them is comparing apples to oranges. When I first read the book and saw the movie, I was genuinely disappointed when Arwen saved Frodo at the fords. But eventually I began to understand PJ's reasons for editing that part of the story. At first I hated Arwen, couldn't stand her. Now I've changed my way of thinking...the two of them are both interesting characters, and watching their stories unfold is fascinating.

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I also agree with Arsarniel. Arwen and Eowyn are so different but they're so alike too. They both believe in what they think is right, and won't let go of that belief. In Arwen's case it's not leaving Middle-earth for love, and in Eowyn's it's being able to prove that she can stand up for people wether she's a maiden or not.

I have a poster of all LotR characters in my room and for Arwen it says:



Eowyn:



And I think there's a little bit of Luthien in both of them. Arwen gives up her immortality for love, like Luthien did for Beren, and Eowyn stood up in the face of danger and destroyed the Lord of the Ringwraits, like Luthien did going into Thangorodrim and stealing a Silmaril from Morgoth. How can anyone judge which one they like more? Like Arsarniel said, each is so strong and lovely in her own way. Yet I think that if they had gotten to know each other, they might've even become friends.

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As I said before, I completely agree with this point because they do have similarities but they are more spiritual then physical or movie related.

And I completely agree Elenmir, they each do have a bit of Luthien reflecting in them.

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You know . . . I think that's very well said . . . I especially agree with how Arwen "goes into hiding" after Flight to the Ford - she takes on a different look - much more refined. Even her hair is different afterwards.

Like Nienor, I used to so not like Arwen either - I did find her annoying - but now, my opinion has slightly changed - because her fate is really really really sad - and the scene in TTT, called "Arwen's Fate" (I think) emphasizes that. And it makes me so sad to see her walking alone in the woods, heavily cloaked - and then I start feeling bad for Aragorn, because even when he was aware that she would be crossing the sea westwards, he still continued to be valiant - despite the thought that the one thing he wanted most in the world since his manhood was now lost . . .

*grabs a tissue and blows her nose*

Anyway . . . this thread is actually very interesting . . . everyone's opinion is unique and intriguing - and still we're managing to stay out of a fight.

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That is an excellent point, couldn't have said it better myself

Anyway. Personally, I am an Arwen lover to the end, both book and movie version. Ever since I first saw her on the screen I was totally enthralled by her story. To me she is a character with so much depth we could never really understand her. Her loyalty and love and the sacrifice she made is such an incredible thing that she instantley became my favorite character (yes, my favorite character).

She is a true heroine in a different sense. Giving up her immortality for Aragorn was one of the greatest sacrifices in the book. You could never say Arwen isn't brave, because she is as brave as any other character in the series. In the end she died for her love, she gave up everything she had for him even when she knew the mortal death that await her.

To me that is the bravest thing anyone could ever do.