I can understand where you're coming from, potr, and thank you for the long excplanation. I still think that CotBP would have been better as a stand-alone movie though, since that's how it was made.

Arwen - lol! I totally agree with you. maybe about the will part...*cough*

I'd just like to say a couple more things in response:
My statement about jack might have been confusing. Here's how it went down for me: at the end of CotBP, Jack has a choice between getting the Black Pearl under Barbossa or taking his chances with Barbossa and freeing Will. Since he chooses the latter, you think he might have SOME attachment by now. Especially after both Liz & Will risk their lives to save him. But in DMC, he shows no regret about condemning Will to death. I take this in stride; okay, so Jack actually is "bad" and uncaring. Whatever. I had suspected as much before, and I never liked him too much anyway. I liked Liz & Will much better. But then, at the end, he dies a noble death or whatever, and I didn't really get it. It's his Black Pearl! What made him who he is was how much he cared about his ship! All the switching back and forth from bad to good to bad to good makes me annoyed. In the first movie it was tolerable because it added to plot development and made the movie fun; you never know which side Jack's on. Now it's just annoying, especially since all of the characters are supposed to have bonded by now. Then some say, he only did it for lust, or because Elizabeth chained him down. Alrighty then. That sounds like Jack. So, why is everyone still so crazy about him being a "good man"? I saw very little of that in DMC.
As for Liz & Will; yeah, it was a fairy tale romance. But isn't that why we love stories so much? Personally, I get enough of real-life romance in real life. I didn't expect Liz & Will's marriage to be perfect, but I certainly didn't think they'd need Liz to make out with Jack to get that message across.
As for Norrie, this sequence of events is plausible, but I have one complaint about his relationship with Liz. I always thought of his proposal as, basically, to get a trophy wife. That probably sounds a lot less honorable than it was considered in those days, but, whatever. He didn't really know her. How could he love her? Perhaps a bit of small talk at ceremonies was all they ever talked. Instead of his love for Elizabeth being his downfall, it was probably his humiliation at his fiance turning down him - a commodore - for a blacksmith. And in DMC, yes, he still likes her, but I think it is significantly less since she is a 'pirate'. So why is he annoyed when Will & Liz kiss in front of him? Well, wouldn't you be annoyed if your former crush started kissing someone else in front of you? A bit uncomfortable, at the least.

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the thing with DMC compared to CotBP is that CotBP is romanticised more than DMC, DMC shows the true side of pirates, the uncaring side. And thats how pirates really were, they had few or no friends and if they did have friends they'd give them up if it meant saving their own skins. Jack giving himself up to the Kraken was not a selfless act of bravery but as someone said before, an act of someone that has nothing to lose.

And really Jack did have nothing to lose, even if he went with the others on the small boat the Kraken would of caught them, his ship was going to be taken anyways and i guess he'd rather die than give his soul to Davy Jones for 100 years. He didnt have anything to lose. You could see it as the point of saving his friends and whats left of the crew butthats probably not how it was...

Actually, he did know her when she was still a little girl, and then as she grew up she grew into a 'fine woman'. So they were familiar with eachother.

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Just gonna give a little review... you don't have to read it.

First off I'd like to start off by saying that I thought DMC was a million times better than CotBP, by a long shot. The plot was more interesting, the characters were more developed, in short, it kept me on the edge of my seat the entire time.
On the subject of Norrington I'd like to say that I hope he get's skewered. I know he's very angry about his entire life getting ruined, but he acted like a complete prat during the whole movie. Even when those around him gave him kindness he went and betrayed them all to get back his honor and place in society. Sick... absolutely sick.
Now on to Jack, dear ol' Jack Sparrow [Captain Jack Sparrow!!] He definitely became a lot more self centered in this movie, a lot moreso than usual. The humour they gave him in this movie was even better than the first which was nice, but we still got to see a darker side to Jack. A side that we didn't know was there. He would sacrifice his friends to get away with his life, that's what he showed us at the end. But then... he came back, which made me extremely happy! I would've slapped him if I could for kissing Elizabeth [Will/Elizabeth shipper], but when I saw what she did I was cheering on the inside for her. Finally, I was so glad that Jack's character sort of redeemed himself by embracing death in the end. [Though I don't believe he is completely dead.]
Speaking of Will and Elizabeth I have to say that their relationship seems a tad bit strained now since the Jack incident, but if they truly love eachother [which I believe they do] they wil overcome and get married like they are supposed to. The only thing I wasn't happy with in Elizabeth's character was that she seemed to helpless [and a little silly to say the least] during the movie, but she redeemed herself at the end by tying up Jack. Cheers for Elizabeth!!
On to Davy Jone's and his crew... Perfect is all I can say, 'twas absolutely perfect. The graphics were wonderfully done and the actors were wonderful. The only complaint I have is that I think they could have been a bit more evil. The whipping, and stuff was good but maybe a tad bit more would have been good. I guess anymore might have made the rating go up, and I have to say this one was plenty more gruesome than the first.
So, overall I thought the movie was wonderfully done, even better than CotBP, and I can't wait fo AWE to come out next summer. I'll be counting down the days.

What was the bounus scene?

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After the credits there's a little scene with Jack the monkey taking a gold coin out of the chest. That's why he's unable to die in DMC.

By the way, I thought the bonus at the end of DMC was really stupid. I was hoping for something a little better than that.

I haven't seen the movie yet but I need to ask this. Are the two British soldiers in this movie? You know the two slightly wrong in the head ones. The two soldiers that was guarding the Interceptor in the first movie and tried to stop Jack from boarding it.

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^Nope. I was wondering about that too.

I thought the thing at the end was funny.

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The East India Trading Company plays a very important role in the movie and the past. Captain Jack Sparrow was once employed under the Trading Company. He was comm Jaanding a merchent vessel named the Wicked Wench. Jack didn't complete a assignment Lord Cutler Beckett told him too, so Beckett burned the shiped and sunk it. Shortly after, Jack was branded a pirate. Jack requested Davy Jones to retrieve the Wicked Wenched from its watery grave. After that, Davy named it the Black Pearl. Jack was then captain for 13 years. (2 actually-11 years=Barbossa)


There is a bonus scene at Dead Man's Chest too! The Doggie became the canibbals' leader.

After we see Barbossa appear, I was thinking Jack was still alive for some unknown reason. Which I kinda doubt. I mean we never saw him die! We just saw him about to die. Whatever happened, I'm sure Tia Dalma will know how to bring Jack back alive if he DID die.

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Yeah! Was anyone else expecting Jack to come back right at the end I was pretty sure he would...but he didnt

Jack has his own personality. He's not bad & uncaring. He would have risked his life if that were true. He's a clever and charming character. You don't see many of these onscreen. He also had a altruistic nature; he'd put himself in harm's way to save others. (Mostly liz & will) Because of Jack's kind nature his crew caused mutiny. He offered a non-violent way to obtain aztec gold. This was part of the reason why he lost his ship. He even offered to negotiate with the Interceptor for the aztec gold. Barbossa said, "Now, y'see Jack, that's exactly the attitude that lost you the Pearl. People are easier to search when they're dead." I'm not going to say he dies, but he meets his doom. It wasn't ever actually Jack's ship. It belonged to Lord Beckett and then it sunk. Davy Jones revived and let him have it for 13 years. It was like a negotiation. That was his debt; his soul. I mean we all care for things in our life. The Black Pearl-he's known for a long time. He's taken care of it. He made that bargain to take and share a fleet with Barbossa. He never really meant it that time, because he wanted the whole ship for himself. So he saved Will. Well it is his personality. Do you expect him to stay "good" forever. Or keeping switching back like the first one?



No marriage and love is perfect. Which you are right. She didn't love him. It was just a kiss. Thankfully it didn't make Will spring out of that boat when they were about to be eaten by the Kraken. Yay, Mr. Gibbs. Love goes through hardships, it's all about getting through it. The writers could have made it worse and let Will die or something like that.



They had arranged marriages back then. Though, Liz's dad didn't really push her. He was trying to get her to know him more. Young-old=marriages. Well ofcourse Norrie is going to be annoyed. He had feelings for Liz. He was heartbroken when she used him for Will and didn't end up marrying him.

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i like the afore mentioned bit about Jack's caring nature, perhaps that incident with Barbossa had changed his mind about what he was willing to risk. And if we remember correctly there were some points in CotBP where he sent Will into a possibly deadly trap but always got him out. That happened when he sent Will onto the Flying Dutchman. Eventaully Will got himself out but Jack probbly knew that he would get out anyways. And sending Will aboard the Dutchman had one good consequence, Will met his dad.

^Hmm...that's an interesting point.

I just finished listening to the soundtrack, it is awesome.

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Yeah, but Will could have died. I don't think Jack knows the future.

Also, Jack going to the Interceptor to 'negotiate' wasn't him being kind. It was him trying to keep Barbossa from discovering that will had the coin, so Jack could keep his levrage.

I stand corrected about Liz & Norrington.

Yeah, well, I still didn't like Liz kissing Jack. I saw no chemistry between them. And the compass did point to him. As pirate pointed out, that doesn't mean that she wanted him, maybe more of his freedom. But it still bugged her. And that was not 'some kiss' she gave Jack; it was pretty passionate. If it was all about chaining him to the boat I think she didn't have to kiss him that hard. Bleh.

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there are a bunch of wild reasons we could come up with for the reason that the compass pointed at Jack. Maybe she wanted his hat, or his hair or the papers or his boots ect. But we do know for sure that it pointed to him and deep withing her, perhaps she did desire to be with Jack. We can wish and hope that it was somethign else of his that she truly desired or we can accept the fact that maybe Jack is what she really wanted...

And i wasnt saying that Jack could see the future but perhaps he has Piratey senses that allow him to know that someone is going to be ok or something..i dont know but i didnt say that he could see the future.

^Yeah I thought that was just the writers saying"let's add another cliff-hanger to the movie, how about some romantic tension? (though we know Will's going to end up with Elizabeth anyway)" I really thought the Elizabeth/Jack thing was really stupid-to make it work they had to make Elizabeth and Jack a bit ooc. (sorry to offend anyone, but I was really disappointed with the movie. I really, really wanted to love DMC but I can't ) I wish that they'd left it as a standalone too ~RinielAranel~!

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