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Post subject:  Posted: July 24th, 2005, 5:05 pm |
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Elanor wrote: I agree with you, I thought it was very sweet. Though I'd already guessed that Tonks was in love with Lupin and that's why she was miserable *looks smug  * I don't belvie that Snape is evil. Partly because it goes agianst my theory that I've been saying since before book 5 that Snape will die to save Harry. I think Dumbledore must have had good enough reason to trust Snape and I don't want to start trusting his judgement now. I think it was part of the plan that Snape might have to kill Dumbledore that that's what Dumbledore was pleading for. After all he's said about death not being the worst thing that can happen to someone and such like do you really think he would plead for his life? I think that's also why Snape reacted so angrily to Harry calling him a coward - what Snape did there (killing a friend, the only person who truely stuck up for him, because he knew he had to) was far more brave than anything Harry has done. That's a good theory about Snape.
I don't know what to say about him. When I read the part where he kills Dumbledore I wanted to kill him, but JK Rowling likes twists and maybe things are not what they appeared
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Post subject: Posted: July 24th, 2005, 6:20 pm |
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ViviElessar wrote: I don't understand why people are making such a big deal about Tonks and Lupin.I think there are one of the best couples in the story. I was surprised but not shocked about it. I understood Tonks very well in this book, I can totally relate to her. Lupin is such a sweet man, when he said that she deserved someone better, I was "Awwwww" *squeee* . I don't understand it either! I mean, I guess they think Tonk's is annoying but she hasn't been in the books that much to be judged. Why, because she can change into anybody? Because the spikes are just SO not right for anybody? I mean....I personally like her. And when I say I sometimes dislike Ginny people are climbing on my bike gnawing at my head. Easy, people! "Eewww, Tonk's is too young for him! He could do better!" Pfft, like who? Dolores Umbridge?! [Oh my...I think I just self-inflicted some trauma....] Personally, I've always really pictured Lupin to just be a bachelor all his life due to his "furry little problem" but if someone like Tonks overlooks that completely and just wants his love, why not? "Because he can find someone else that can do that." By what century? He could be dead by then since it's war. From the fact that she could have someone younger, richer, more glorious shows how much in love she is with Lupin that she didn't want anyone younger, richer and more glorious. ...But then again, I guess I like this pairing so much because I'm huge Sara/Grissom fan from CSI....[ViviElessar might know something about that] Elanor wrote: I don't belvie that Snape is evil. Partly because it goes agianst my theory that I've been saying since before book 5 that Snape will die to save Harry. I think Dumbledore must have had good enough reason to trust Snape and I don't want to start not trusting his judgement now. I think it was part of the plan that Snape might have to kill Dumbledore that that's what Dumbledore was pleading for. After all he's said about death not being the worst thing that can happen to someone and such like do you really think he would plead for his life? I think that's also why Snape reacted so angrily to Harry calling him a coward - what Snape did there (killing a friend, the only person who truely stuck up for him, because he knew he had to) was far more brave than anything Harry has done.
That's that I was thinking about Snape as well. I mean, Snape has risked his life in numerous occasions, with Voldemort, with other Death Eaters and Dumbledore's the only one that recognizes it and trusts him with his life and then he is [mostly likely] ordered by Dumbledore to kill him?! That's gotta work alot of courage! And to have his arch enemy, Harry Potter, yell it coward to his face? I'd beat the stuffings out of him too! And I love the whole "Blocked again and again and again until you learn to keep your mouth shut and your mind closed, Potter!" Oi! 'Arry! What he means is that "You should've put more into what I teach you, you....you....copier!" [Readers: "*Gasp!* Oh no he did NOT!"]
Yes, yes I'm having much too fun for something as depressing as this.
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Post subject: Posted: July 24th, 2005, 9:59 pm |
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Kitoky wrote: Snape: I agree whole heartedly with Laerel Greenleaf's views on it. I don't believe that Snape is evil. Snape, may be Voldemort's most trusted servant, but he's not like any other Death Eater who throw caution to the wind. He has brains, and he himself, knows it. And the fact that he knows what he's doing without crawling around following Voldemort with his tail behind his legs, shows that he is capable of ANYTHING. Right now I'm still hoping that Snape will turn out to be a triple agent or something.... I've always been a fan of Snape, because I'm a fan of evil. Heck, even I love Voldemort. Sue me. And you know what? Without even either of these character, you wouldn't even HAVE a Harry Potter Series. Regardless however, Snape's a dead man walking. I mean everyone's now out to get him. Harry, Hagrid, Lupin, etc. And Voldemort's got no use of him now that he's out of Hogwarts and Dumbledore is gone. Pity...just...pity.
I was also discussing with a friend about the reason why Snape looked so angry when he went to kill Dumbledore. He had the Unbreakable Vow to protect, if not atleast Harry [I know, I know you're thinking "Pfft!"] but hear me out! Not because that it was extremely hard to kill Dumbledore but by doing this, he knew that his fate was sealed and he knew that Harry was in the room and Snape couldn't lie his way out of it. I still think Snape's going to pull a triple agent, I can feel it in my bones. From reading Chapter 2, I KNEW something was off, I could feel it.
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Harry/Ginny Out of all honesty, I'm not a big fan of Harry/Ginny.
Yes I definantly believe that Snape is a triple agent!!!!!
FINALLY!Someone who agrees with me in the Harry/Ginny situation!!!! I am definantly not a big fan of them bieng together either. I'd rather Harry and Hermione be together (Ya right!!!!) but it will most likely be Hermione and Ron together. JKR has been hinting at it ever since like the 3rd or 4th book.
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Post subject: Posted: July 25th, 2005, 4:31 am |
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I don't think Dumbledore ordered Snape to kill him... I think Snape killed him because he actually couldn't get around it because of the Unbreakable Vow. But that doesn't mean that Dumbledore didn't know what Snape had promised to do, and I think that Dumbledore pleading for his own death does have some credence.
But it was pleading, not ordering, and there's a subtle difference.
I thought Tonks and Lupin was sweet. It made me smile, and I thought it was amusing in it's own way. I don't see anything wrong with it; Tonks is several years older than Harry (she had to go through auror training, so she's not just out of school) and Lupin is not quite old enough to be her father. I mean, if he's the one she wants, what's wrong with that?
Ron/Lavender was never going anywhere... I don't know why people keep on bringing it up as a "romance". Ron was just trying to get some practice kissing and Lavender happened to be available.
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Post subject: Posted: July 25th, 2005, 10:48 am |
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Herenya wrote:
But it was pleading, not ordering, and there's a subtle difference.
Well, I don't mean ordering as in right then and there. Dumbledore was definitely pleading so that Snape would do it, but who's to say Dumbledore didn't order him before hand? He did the exact same thing to Harry before they went to the cave.
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Post subject: Posted: July 25th, 2005, 3:46 pm |
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Kitoky wrote: ViviElessar wrote: I don't understand why people are making such a big deal about Tonks and Lupin.I think there are one of the best couples in the story. I was surprised but not shocked about it. I understood Tonks very well in this book, I can totally relate to her. Lupin is such a sweet man, when he said that she deserved someone better, I was "Awwwww" *squeee* . I don't understand it either! I mean, I guess they think Tonk's is annoying but she hasn't been in the books that much to be judged. Why, because she can change into anybody? Because the spikes are just SO not right for anybody? I mean....I personally like her. And when I say I sometimes dislike Ginny people are climbing on my bike gnawing at my head. Easy, people! "Eewww, Tonk's is too young for him! He could do better!" Pfft, like who? Dolores Umbridge?! [Oh my...I think I just self-inflicted some trauma....] Personally, I've always really pictured Lupin to just be a bachelor all his life due to his "furry little problem" but if someone like Tonks overlooks that completely and just wants his love, why not? "Because he can find someone else that can do that." By what century? He could be dead by then since it's war. From the fact that she could have someone younger, richer, more glorious shows how much in love she is with Lupin that she didn't want anyone younger, richer and more glorious. ...But then again, I guess I like this pairing so much because I'm huge Sara/Grissom fan from CSI....[ViviElessar might know something about that] Elanor wrote: I don't belvie that Snape is evil. Partly because it goes agianst my theory that I've been saying since before book 5 that Snape will die to save Harry. I think Dumbledore must have had good enough reason to trust Snape and I don't want to start not trusting his judgement now. I think it was part of the plan that Snape might have to kill Dumbledore that that's what Dumbledore was pleading for. After all he's said about death not being the worst thing that can happen to someone and such like do you really think he would plead for his life? I think that's also why Snape reacted so angrily to Harry calling him a coward - what Snape did there (killing a friend, the only person who truely stuck up for him, because he knew he had to) was far more brave than anything Harry has done. That's that I was thinking about Snape as well. I mean, Snape has risked his life in numerous occasions, with Voldemort, with other Death Eaters and Dumbledore's the only one that recognizes it and trusts him with his life and then he is [mostly likely] ordered by Dumbledore to kill him?! That's gotta work alot of courage! And to have his arch enemy, Harry Potter, yell it coward to his face? I'd beat the stuffings out of him too! And I love the whole "Blocked again and again and again until you learn to keep your mouth shut and your mind closed, Potter!" Oi! 'Arry! What he means is that "You should've put more into what I teach you, you....you....copier!" [Readers: "*Gasp!* Oh no he did NOT!"] Yes, yes I'm having much too fun for something as depressing as this. You said everything I have in mind Kitoky!
I'm also a Grissom/Sarah fan!!!!!  
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Post subject: Posted: July 25th, 2005, 5:03 pm |
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ViviElessar wrote: I don't understand why people are making such a big deal about Tonks and Lupin.I think there are one of the best couples in the story. I was surprised but not shocked about it. I understood Tonks very well in this book, I can totally relate to her. Lupin is such a sweet man, when he said that she deserved someone better, I was "Awwwww" *squeee* . I couldn't have put it better myself 
nothing in the book really shocked me, I guessed that the Harry/Ginny situation would crop up sometime. I'm not sure but i think they might get back together at the end of book 7.
I also knew about Dumbledore, but it was still really, really, really, really sad.  _________________ 
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Post subject: Posted: July 25th, 2005, 6:04 pm |
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Azriel wrote: ViviElessar wrote: I don't understand why people are making such a big deal about Tonks and Lupin.I think there are one of the best couples in the story. I was surprised but not shocked about it. I understood Tonks very well in this book, I can totally relate to her. Lupin is such a sweet man, when he said that she deserved someone better, I was "Awwwww" *squeee* . I couldn't have put it better myself nothing in the book really shocked me, I guessed that the Harry/Ginny situation would crop up sometime. I'm not sure but i think they might get back together at the end of book 7. I also knew about Dumbledore, but it was still really, really, really, really sad. I also think that Harry and Ginny are not over yet. I think she is going to follow him like Ron and Hermione.
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Post subject: Posted: July 25th, 2005, 10:32 pm |
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I was cheering when Snape crossed over to the dark side. I never really trusted him anyway
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Kitoky wrote: Herenya wrote:
But it was pleading, not ordering, and there's a subtle difference.
Well, I don't mean ordering as in right then and there. Dumbledore was definitely pleading so that Snape would do it, but who's to say Dumbledore didn't order him before hand? He did the exact same thing to Harry before they went to the cave. I can't see Dumbledore ordering anyone to kill him. It's just not something he'd do. It can't be fun - killing someone, I mean, and I'm sure Dumbledore would be aware of that. He's not the type to force anyone to do anything they don't want to. So he does give Harry some orders but they are conditional orders... I'm sure he's the type to respect participant withdrawal rights. _________________ <center>i love
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Post subject: Posted: July 26th, 2005, 12:49 pm |
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wait I thought Dumbledore was pleading so that Snape WOULDN'T kill him. or maybe he wanted Snape to kill him so Malfoy didn't have to become a killer?
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Herenya wrote: Kitoky wrote: Well, I don't mean ordering as in right then and there. Dumbledore was definitely pleading so that Snape would do it, but who's to say Dumbledore didn't order him before hand? He did the exact same thing to Harry before they went to the cave. I can't see Dumbledore ordering anyone to kill him. It's just not something he'd do. It can't be fun - killing someone, I mean, and I'm sure Dumbledore would be aware of that. He's not the type to force anyone to do anything they don't want to. So he does give Harry some orders but they are conditional orders... I'm sure he's the type to respect participant withdrawal rights. Though, it would be conditional wouldn't it? Because, if Malfoy didn't do it, Snape would have to. It all depends on what the situation plays out to be. I'm not saying it was entirely planned out, because it's clear Snape made a mistake in the planning everything with Malfoy in tow...I don't think it was telling Dumbledore about his Unbreakable Vow, it's when he told Draco about it. Lady Dark Moon wrote: wait I thought Dumbledore was pleading so that Snape WOULDN'T kill him. or maybe he wanted Snape to kill him so Malfoy didn't have to become a killer?
It's really how you look at it. Whether you're anti-Snape or pro-Snape.
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Post subject: Posted: July 26th, 2005, 9:06 pm |
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I'm going to stick with what I said before.
Snape only killed Dumbledore a)so he wouldn't blow his cover as a spy for the Dumbledore b)he had an Unbreakable Vow to protect and c)he knew Malfoy didn't have the courage to do it.
I have this weird feeling that Snape is going to end up saving Harry and killing Voldemort in the process maybe by using one of his spells that he wrote in the potions book that Voldemort doesn't know about.
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Post subject: Posted: July 27th, 2005, 1:18 am |
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I actually have a the feeling that Snape's going to die saving Harry and then Harry's going to blow over the top thinking that now he can't hate Snape because he saved his life.....
But I don't want Snape to die for Harry.
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Post subject: Posted: July 27th, 2005, 2:10 am |
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^ lol
that's my theory too. Except I don't think Snape could kill Voldy. Doesn't that need to be Harry because of the prophesy? Besides it would be a bit of a let down if the main character didn't kill the villian.
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I think that Snape was working for Voldemort since the beginning and that in the end it would be Snape that has to help kill Harry. the whole betrayal thing, you know?
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