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maybe .. "please kill me, this was part of the plan"?

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yep....i think they both had a plan of some sort that involved dumbledore getting killed by snape

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yeah i read somewhere that JK said dumbledore's death actually helps harry in the last book and that snape is actually still a good guy

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Yeah...

But killing Dumbledore...that seems an awful lot to sacrifice just so that Snape's cover isn't blown. Yeah, Voldemort would find out Snape has been playing double agent, but isn't that a small price to pay to have Dumbledore alive?

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hmm .. but snape's cover couldnt have been blown that easily ... he and dumbledore were both very accomplished legilimens (sp?) ... so i dont really understand why dumbldore had to die either =\

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it is supposed to help harry somehow...i think it might do a little more than prevent snape's cover to be blown....also, snape i think might do something really really really reallly helpful .....



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^yeah i'll have to agree with you ... i can't wait to find out what it is tho!!! *dies*

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I think Snape's definitely a key point somewhere in the last book. I don't think he's working for himself anymore, I think he's working for Harry in a sense. Why? Because of Lily.


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*jumps in at random point in discussion* I am SO bad at sticking with threads :eyeroll:

Why would Snape be helping Harry because of Lily Larael? I know you guys have probably already discussed this, but I"m just slow....:blush:

I personally think that Snape will play an important part in book 7 but he'll definitely be on Voldy's side and get killed (somehow :P).

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NO! HE WILL NOT BE IN VOLDYS SIDE!!! ...hes too cool...


...hehe sorry, over-passionate here.... :blush:

no... i dont think he'll be with voldy...otherwise, that hint rowling threw at us about the whole dumbledore thing planned would be pointless
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I think draco is starting to become a good guy
instead of a heartless little ferret

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yeah exactly ... *agrees with mornie* ... and dumbledore's death would be utterly pointless, and he definitely could not have died without a reason or purpose

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Yeah, in a way, I think Draco and Snape are very similar. Draco's a nasty kid, but he couldn't kill Dumbledore. And remember that one time when Harry walked in on him in the bathroom and he was...crying?
Draco doesn't have a choice in serving Voldemort like this. Or at least, that was the impression I got.

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I think it's more of his father's doing, than his own decision. Draco really doesn't have a choice, ya know? Unless he can stand up to his father...

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Why would Snape be helping Harry because of Lily Larael?


Well... oh gosh, there's no way I can explain this without going in to detail, so be prepared. Here we go:


First off, let's start by analysing the chapter "Snape's Worst Memory".
Why was Snape down there by the water's edge that day, close to the Marauder's if he knew they had a history of taunting and teasing him? He had some sense he might have gone someplace else, just to get away, but he didn't. Why you ask, because of Lily. He wanted to be close to her, as did James Potter.

Later, when James is busy tormenting Snape, Lily steps in. But not as in innocent bystander, as most people would assume. I think she stepped in because Snape was her friend, and she cared for his well being. How could this unlikely friendship come to be though?

The answer is Slughorn, Horace Slughorn. As we know, he was the current Potion's Master when Lily, James, and Severus were at school, and he played host to the wonderful "Slug Club". Of course we can assume that both Lily [we all know about her being one of Slughorn's favourite students], and Snape [because of his adept Potions skills] were both members, and had to endure many of Slughorn's party's together. Both being in the same year, and with Lily's amiable nature, I'm sure they became very close. But how close we can only guess.

My assumption is that Lily viewed the two of them as friends, nothing more. But, as for Snape, I think he fell in love with the one friend he had ever known... that person being Lily.
Okie-dokie, back to the lake scene. It ends up that Snape is so angered he calls Lily a mudblood- forever damaging their relationship.

So, this brings me back to the reason we are having the conversation. Snape is working for Harry to help avenge Lily's death. After all, he's the one that told Voldemort about the prophecy in the first place. He's just as guilty as everyone else.


So, there you have it. :) Wasn't too long I suppose, now was it?


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No, it wasn't too long Larael! :) Thanks for explaining! :hug: It shed some new light on my HP knowledge ;)

But hold on people! Rowling told us Dumbledore's death was planned? :confused2: I know you all are probably rolling your eyes at me now, but I'm kind of confused....Because if Snape was really a good guy, why would he have killed/planned to kill Dumbledore? How could that have helped the 'good guys' at all or given a point to Dumbledore's death?

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no..... dumbledore planned his own death with snape....somehow, his death would help harry...

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