But I don't think we know which side Snape is on, except that he's obviously aligned himself with Malfoy. It doesn't really say much, because we still don't know what Dumbledore's view to his end was.

I don't think Voldemort is a Legimens, either. Well, it hasn't said, and while it wouldn't be surprising, he possibly isn't. Snape was obviously conciling something from one side... but which side?

What makes one think that Harry is going to save Snape? Because I think the animosity between Snape and Harry is equal. I doubt that Snape's the type to let grudges fade in time. Harry, being younger with more to give (because he has more to lose) I think would be more likely to reach out than the other way round. Dumbledore has gone on a lot about Harry's ablity to LOVE and while saving Snape wouldn't be exactly that, it does show that Harry is capable of human emotion. (Not that Snape isn't... but I think there is something twisted in Snape. Not evil. But there's a scar somewhere.) Also James saved Snape so there is the "following the father's footsteps" aspect as well. Snape's proven that he wouldn't save James's life, but James DID make some effort to save Snape's, even if it was slightly... offhand and probably with a lot of thought about saving his own skin.

I think the relationship between Snape and James has carried on with Snape and Harry... I don't think that I think that Harry will save Snape, BUT it's more likely than Snape saving Harry, especially Snape dying to save Harry.

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Wow!I love what you wrote on the last paragraph."Snape dying to save Harry" is a very good one. I can't wait to read the last book

Yeah, I agree. I don't think Voldemort's a Legimens either since they only mentioned Harry being connected to Voldemort. I can see Snape spending time getting more powerful in his occlumency[ or whatever you call it] to try and throw or and anyone who are also Legimens. And maybe Voldie even allowed Snape to get more powerful in order to throw Dumbledore, who knows at this point.



That's an interesting point with James. I wonder if Rowling is going to throw more on James into the picture with the 7th book. It doesn't seem right that Harry would follow by DD's words about being able to love as applying to Snape, since obviously, it's Snape. However, Harry has gotten quite mature in this last book and he may or may not.



I dearly hope Snape doesn't die saving Harry! I don't mind Snape saving Harry a bit indirectly, or directly, as it played out in HBP telling the Death Eater that he's to be saved for Voldemort. [Though it slightly confuses me. If a Death Eater can easily kill Harry, and rid Voldemort of the enemy he created why not do that? Or does Voldemort have another reason why he wants Harry alive?]

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I LIKED it!! I think it is the best of Potter books... But that is only my opinion... This book.... How I would say it...? Was That kind of book... You know when you think you know what will happen next and when that part finally comes it won't go as you had planned. There was that part when Harry foun out that his potion book did once belong to "Half-Blood Prince" I was so sure that "The Half-Blood Prince" was well Slughorn or something like that and when came out that it was Snape I was surprised!!!!!!

I simply enjoyd The Half Blood-Prince!!! It was full of surprises.... I will go now to resd it second time....

And by the way... Happy birthday Harry Potter and J.K. Rowling!

Yes it was certainly my favorite of all the books as well! Just for the all the Snape attention!

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I don't think that Dumbledore was pleading for his life; I just don't think that he would ever do it. He said in The Philospher's Stone -> "To the well organized mind, death is but the next great adventure".

But he was saying "Severus.." so he was telling him something. I think that he was telling him that he had to do it; he had no other choice. Snape is on the good side if you ask me.

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I actually do believe that Voldemort was in fact a Legimens (how ever you spell it!). And an accomplished one at that. I can't remember where, but I recall somewhere where it said he was. Maybe I'm delusional. Wouldn't be a shock. I'll have to research in my books, but I actually think he was. If not, don't hunt me down and lynch me. It's my many personalities all speaking at once. I get confused sometimes!

Anyways . . .

I have to agree with what Beriadanwen said about Dumbledore not actually pleading for his life. It was a really strange scene for Dumbledore to do that. Something not right. I guess we won't know until the 7th one is out. Unless J.K.R. decides she wants to kill us and just leave it at that. *runs away at that thought* Just kidding.

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He is. I actually have proof. on page 26 of the Half Blood Prince (the United States version, I don't know about the others), Snape says,

"You think he is mistaken? Or that I have somehow hoodwinked him? Fooled the Dark Lord, the greatest wizard, the most accomplished Legilimens the world has ever seen?"

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Okay, so seeing as though Voldie is a Legilimens. I'm not even going to try and persuade myself that Voldie trusted Snape so much as to not question because we all know that that's not true. Voldie has never trusted anyone in his life. But there's always a possibility that Snape has trained while being in the OotP to get BETTER than Voldemort - to do him one step further.


Which falls back to that bloody second chapter. I'm still debating whether or not JKR gave away TOO much in that chapter. And if Snape was in fact evil, why bother writing that chapter, when the huge surprise would undo itself at the end. She could have easily slipped in the Unbreakable Vow in the chapter when Harry was eavesdropping on Snape and Malfoy. I still think JKR wrote that chapter to lead us on, so that we, the readers, will always be suspicious of Snape throughout the book. But just think about really quick here. Say Snape was evil, --- but why would Dumbledore's death be such a shock? Dumbledore was asking for a death sentence telling Harry to get Snape while a Death Eater attack was going on.

Dumbledore: Dumbledore trusts Snape SO much as to look up to Snape when he obviously was not trying to stop the Death Eaters. Yet Dumbledore still believe in him. And then Snape kills him. Isn't this just a very pathetic death for Dumbledore, being killed by an 'ex'-Death Eater who everyone had doubts about? And because of how JKR set up the storyline of the book, the second chapter, Dumbledore's trust, the set up with the Death Eater attack, doesn't add up to Snape being evil. It adds up to Snape being a pretty darn bloody good actor [oppose to what Harry thinks]. I'm pretty sure this just the tip of the iceberg with Snape.

I think from this point in the series, we should stop looking at what is said, but look at what is NOT said.

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Wow. You pretty much just summed it up right there. I do believe that we have to look at what isn't said. Bah! Now I must go research!

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Very good points Kitoky! Ack! So much to think about!

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That's very true. J.K. did seem to give away to much in the second chapter, though I have always had my suspicions of Snape ever since I found out he was a previous death eater. Yes, I am not a Snape fan, and was expecting him to go against Dumbledore.....but that's what almost everyone suspected. Which goes to show you J.K. must have something up her sleeve. She couldn't be that obvious.

by the way very good comments Kitoky, they made a lot of sense *had to compliment you even if you didn't want it* lol

if Snape were to come over to the good side on the last book, he would have to die. dying for a good cause would take out all the doubt in our minds that Snape is in fact on Dumbledore's side.

as for Dumbledore pleading with Snape at the end, I imagine that he wasn't pleading for himself. if Dumbledore had wanted to live, it would have been for the good of others. he would have happily sacrificed himself for Harry or any other person in need, but he must have felt that somewhere in the future the Wizarding world needed him. like they said in OotP, without Dumbledore around, Voldemort would have a clear field.

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Ah, but that's how the others around him feel. But I think that Dumbledore has more faith in them then they do in themselves.

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