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PostPosted: September 19th, 2006, 3:32 pm 
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LOL. No, I am sorry. i wish I was from Scotland or England or some fascinating place. But I'm from the U.S. I just say mum.
And yes, I am so excited for Frodo's birthday! Just two more days!


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oh, hehe! ya, i wish i lived there 2!! ya, it's going to be wild, specially on this website!

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Tinuviel's Tears wrote:
I wonder if Galadriel is part of what gives Lothlorien its magic? Do you guys think it would be the same without her? just as ethereal and mystical? Or do you think that part of Lothlorien is because of Galadriel?


I don't know. Galadriel gives Lothlorien part of it's magic, but it was magical before she was there, wasn't it??? I don't know what I would think of it if Galadriel had never been there. What about you people?

September 22! Oh my gosh :duh: ! I didn't even know it was Frodo's birthday! I feel bad... 3 days and counting... :)

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I agree with you Elwing. I think that Lothlorien itself was magic before Galadriel came there, but perhaps she contrivutes to its magic somehow. She and Lothlorien seem to be strangely akin. I wonder though, is it that Galadriel has seeped into Lothlorien or that Lothlorien has seeped into Galadriel?

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Tinuviel's Tears wrote:
I agree with you Elwing. I think that Lothlorien itself was magic before Galadriel came there, but perhaps she contrivutes to its magic somehow. She and Lothlorien seem to be strangely akin. I wonder though, is it that Galadriel has seeped into Lothlorien or that Lothlorien has seeped into Galadriel?

Frodo=Love.


I feel special :) *ahem* Sorry...

I think it may be a little bit of both. Galadriel and Lothlorien do seem to be akin in ways. I think she helped Lothlorien become what it was when the Fellowship came, and made it into the Lothlorien we all know and love.

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Galadriel definitely makes Lothlorien seem safer, like a refuge for the Fellowship. I think however, that both Lothlorien and Galadriel have a osrt of awesome power that makes them a bit scary, to quote Galadriel "beautiful and terrible."

Glad I could make you feel special. :)


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I believe Galadriel can take most credit of shaping the haven Lothlórien appears to be when the Fellowship arrives. She is among the high elves who has seen the Undying Lands and who has wandered under the light of the Two Trees of Valinor, and I think she will carry that memory in her heart whereever she goes and try to recrate that memory.
Also, another crucial hint to Lothlórien's magic and beauty is Nenya, the Ring of Adament, which Galadriel is the keeper of. I believe she was able to use the powers of the Ring to create the etheral magic, but also a strong fortress of light against Sauron's forces.

I also believe that Vilya plays a part in Rivendell's resistance to the external threats. Though Rivendell is situated farther away from Mordor so the pressure on its borders wouldn't be so intense as on Lothlórien. The House of Elrond was a meeting place for elven folk, where they exchanged and performed different arts for each other. And perhaps the lively and relaxing atmosphere also came from the ring.

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Good point Ea.
I think that maybe Galadriel and Elrond had a magic within them,. but it was Nenya and Vilya that were sort of channels for that magic, making it able to be out into action.
Certainly Galadriel makes Lothlorien a safe haven. I think that Nenya gives her the power to keep evil away. Sort of like the Girdle of Melian about Doriath. Galadriel did stay in Doriath and was very close to Melian, so perhaps she learned how to create that sort of protection from Melian.
As for Rivendell, I think it highly possible that the protection came partly from Vilya. I don't think that the atmoshphere of peace and happiness came from it though. i think that cam from the merry Elves who inhabited that valley. Perhaps though, it coudl contribute to your sense of peace to know that you were being kept safe. So I suppose that Vilya could contribute to the relaxing atmoshphere that way.


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oh yea, i forgot about nenya, that would make a difference!

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I forgot about it too. I can't believe I did that! :blink: At least Ea is here to remind us and keep us all thinking. :hug:


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ya!!! :angel: hehe, tomorrow's HOBBIT DAY!!!!

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Well, if not Hobbit Day, at least an equally special one. I'm making a cake!
Back on to the subject of Lothlorien though, can someone help me out on this one. Are the mallorn trees descendants of the Two Trees of Valinor, either Laurelin or Telperion? I know that thw White Tree of Gondor came form Telperion, but I've alwasy wondered about the mallorns. Does anyone know?


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Tinuviel's Tears wrote:
Well, if not Hobbit Day, at least an equally special one. I'm making a cake!
Back on to the subject of Lothlorien though, can someone help me out on this one. Are the mallorn trees descendants of the Two Trees of Valinor, either Laurelin or Telperion? I know that thw White Tree of Gondor came form Telperion, but I've alwasy wondered about the mallorns. Does anyone know?


I think they may be distantly related. I think they mingled somehow with the trees of Middle-earth.

I never really thougth about Nenya and Vilya helping with the safety of Lothlorien and Rivendell. Well, thought about it in detail.

Yay! I'm listening to Enya right now. Well, samples of Enya.

Woot! One day!

Sorry about all the randomness.

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Can't wait!
The mallorns seem to be like both Laurelin and Telperion. Their bark is silver, like Telperion, but their leaves are of gold, like Laurelin. Maybe you're right Elwing. I think it's a good theory at any rate.
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PostPosted: September 22nd, 2006, 1:03 am 
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Eä wrote:
Also, another crucial hint to Lothlórien's magic and beauty is Nenya, the Ring of Adament, which Galadriel is the keeper of. I believe she was able to use the powers of the Ring to create the etheral magic, but also a strong fortress of light against Sauron's forces.

I also believe that Vilya plays a part in Rivendell's resistance....


Eä, you often come up with things that make my mind spin.

Cause then there was Narya, the Ring of Fire, borne by Gandolf. As a Maia, he had many natural abilities that would seem magical to men, especially through the staff he carried. But he also had power through the Ring of Fire that he bore—as elven “magic”—a holy power originating in Eru himself.

Certainly all the elven rings were embued with the same power—a power blessed by Eru. But the power that Evil would wield through the One Ring is a perversion, just as is the power that evil has in this world. However, it was not in the will of Eru for men to wield the power of any ring. And it is interesting that, though men seek to wrest that evil power of the One Ring for themselves, that the elven rings do not have for men the same alluring temptation. (Sam didn’t even notice that Galadriel was wearing it!)

Even though the power of the elven rings was a power that didn’t belong to men, they were blessed and powerfully influenced through them. Of the effect of the elven power in Lothlorien on men Aragorn said, “Say not unscathed, but if you say unchanged then maybe you will speak the truth….Perilous indeed, fair and perilous; but only evil need fear it, or those who bring evil with them.” (This reminds me of a “fair and perilous” Lion in Narnia)

As I look at Lothlorien and Rivendell and think about Galadriel, Gandolf and Elrond, I wonder…..
Since there are obvious things that the One Ring represents in our personal lives, there must also be things that the elven rings represent in each of our lives too.

Are there still creatures in our world that wield equivalent power that is a blessing to us?

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um....... ya! GUESS WHAT!!!!!!! me and my friends retrieved the One Ring from Mt. Doom!!!!! ya, it split into 3 rings!!!! so each of us have one!!!!!! that's my favorite possesion, i sleep with it under my pillow!! lol, jkjkjk!!! but i do have the One Ring!!!! ok..... next subject!!! Lothlorien.... That is my favorite place!!! i mean SERIOUSLY!!!!! i'm Galadriel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DUHHHHHHHHHHH......um... yea, it happens that i'm blonde... actually i like my hair color!!!! sorry.. having a pretty random day!! yea, it's the SEPTEMBER 22 affect!!!!

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