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Post subject: Re: The elven rings....  Posted: September 24th, 2006, 8:50 pm |
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Sinbearer wrote: Eä wrote: Also, another crucial hint to Lothlórien's magic and beauty is Nenya, the Ring of Adament, which Galadriel is the keeper of. I believe she was able to use the powers of the Ring to create the etheral magic, but also a strong fortress of light against Sauron's forces.
I also believe that Vilya plays a part in Rivendell's resistance.... Eä, you often come up with things that make my mind spin. Cause then there was Narya, the Ring of Fire, borne by Gandolf. As a Maia, he had many natural abilities that would seem magical to men, especially through the staff he carried. But he also had power through the Ring of Fire that he bore—as elven “magic”—a holy power originating in Eru himself. Certainly all the elven rings were embued with the same power—a power blessed by Eru. But the power that Evil would wield through the One Ring is a perversion, just as is the power that evil has in this world. However, it was not in the will of Eru for men to wield the power of any ring. And it is interesting that, though men seek to wrest that evil power of the One Ring for themselves, that the elven rings do not have for men the same alluring temptation. (Sam didn’t even notice that Galadriel was wearing it!) Even though the power of the elven rings was a power that didn’t belong to men, they were blessed and powerfully influenced through them. Of the effect of the elven power in Lothlorien on men Aragorn said, “Say not unscathed, but if you say unchanged then maybe you will speak the truth….Perilous indeed, fair and perilous; but only evil need fear it, or those who bring evil with them.” (This reminds me of a “fair and perilous” Lion in Narnia) As I look at Lothlorien and Rivendell and think about Galadriel, Gandolf and Elrond, I wonder….. Since there are obvious things that the One Ring represents in our personal lives, there must also be things that the elven rings represent in each of our lives too. Are there still creatures in our world that wield equivalent power that is a blessing to us? Let the "I am not worthy!" syndrome kick in!
Sinbearer, you and Eä are very good at expressing your thoughts and ideas in ways I could only hope to  . You both are excellent writers.
You both make excellent points. I agree with both of you. I don't think the Elven rings didn't have the same effect that the One Ring had because they didn't have the evil the One Ring did. They weren't made to do evil like it was. _________________ And she was named Elwing,which is Star-spray,for she was born on a night of stars,whose light glittered in the spray of the waterfall of Lanthir Lamath beside her father's house.
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Post subject: Posted: September 25th, 2006, 8:40 pm |
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ya... Do u think that Celeborn helps Galadriel with...like ruling Lothlorien, or does he do his own little thing?
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Post subject: Posted: September 26th, 2006, 4:16 pm |
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I think so. isn't his name Lord Celeborn? lord of the wood? i don't really know
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Post subject: Posted: September 26th, 2006, 6:36 pm |
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galadriel2812 wrote: ya... Do u think that Celeborn helps Galadriel with...like ruling Lothlorien, or does he do his own little thing?
I think Celeborn helps Galadriel a bit, but Galadriel has more of an influential part in in the shaping of Lothlorien. Good thought, galadriel2812. _________________ And she was named Elwing,which is Star-spray,for she was born on a night of stars,whose light glittered in the spray of the waterfall of Lanthir Lamath beside her father's house.
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Post subject: Posted: September 27th, 2006, 2:10 pm |
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ya...like, i've been watching it, it's like why can't we see more of Celeborn doing some more, or does he do anything cool!! so yea!! thank you!!
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Post subject: Posted: September 29th, 2006, 7:34 pm |
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galadriel2812 wrote: ya...like, i've been watching it, it's like why can't we see more of Celeborn doing some more, or does he do anything cool!! so yea!! thank you!!
You're welcome.
Is Celeborn mentioned a lot in any of the books? Sorry, I haven't picked them up in awhile. (Sorry,sorry,sorry.) _________________ And she was named Elwing,which is Star-spray,for she was born on a night of stars,whose light glittered in the spray of the waterfall of Lanthir Lamath beside her father's house.
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Post subject: Posted: September 29th, 2006, 8:39 pm |
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He is barely skimmed over in Fellowship of the Ring. He is mentioned a little more in the Silmarillion, but mainly in respect to Galadriel. It says something about him living in Doriath, and that Galadriel also dwelled there for a time, and "there was great love between them." It is a shame. I'd like to know more about Celeborn, but he really isn't mentioned very much, and when he is, it's mainly in association to Galadriel.
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Post subject: Posted: September 30th, 2006, 7:44 pm |
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Tinuviel's Tears wrote: Good point Ea.
I think that maybe Galadriel and Elrond had a magic within them,. but it was Nenya and Vilya that were sort of channels for that magic, making it able to be out into action.
Certainly Galadriel makes Lothlorien a safe haven. I think that Nenya gives her the power to keep evil away. Sort of like the Girdle of Melian about Doriath. Galadriel did stay in Doriath and was very close to Melian, so perhaps she learned how to create that sort of protection from Melian.
As for Rivendell, I think it highly possible that the protection came partly from Vilya. I don't think that the atmoshphere of peace and happiness came from it though. i think that cam from the merry Elves who inhabited that valley. Perhaps though, it coudl contribute to your sense of peace to know that you were being kept safe. So I suppose that Vilya could contribute to the relaxing atmoshphere that way. Thank you T.T. and I also agree with you on your points here. That the wielder of a ring of power can only use the ring according to his/her own strength and will. The ring becomes a medium to channel the power, but a comman man would not be able to use and have control over a ring in the same way as a maia. I, too, believe Galadriel used the power of Nenya to create a girdle around Lothlórien, but I also think that the mere presence of the elves and of the White Lady in Lothlórien would keep the light-fearing orcs away for a long time. And the same goes for Rivendell. Both Lothlórien and Rivendell were the last strongholds of the elves, all their mightiest warriors and lords resided in those two elven cities. Also I agree with you on your point on the atmosphere in Rivendell. It would be in the elven nature to create what appears to be havens to men, because they adore peace, beauty and art. Elrond wielding Vilya might only have contributed to the atmosphere, not created it. Sinbearer wrote: Eä, you often come up with things that make my mind spin. Thank you, and I must say the same about your posts. It is a pleasure to debate Tolkien's work with you, though most of the times I wouldn't even call it debates, but rather exchangings of thoughts. Thank you.  Sinbearer wrote: As I look at Lothlorien and Rivendell and think about Galadriel, Gandolf and Elrond, I wonder…..
Since there are obvious things that the One Ring represents in our personal lives, there must also be things that the elven rings represent in each of our lives too.
Are there still creatures in our world that wield equivalent power that is a blessing to us? I'm sure the Three Elven Rings represent different powers even their names suggest so; Vilya, the Ring of Air, Narya, the Ring of Fire and Nenya, the Ring of Water or of Adamant, and I believe those who wield them must be influenced by the certain power of the ring and the ring must have been influenced by its bearer. Gandalf's element seems to be fire, but I'm not sure whether he draws his power from Narya (the much debated reference to him being the "the Servant of the secret ire and the wielder of the Flame of Anor") or the ring just reinforces his power - I am more inclined to the latter idea. I am not sure I fully understand your last question, so I woud be happy if you could elaborate. Elwing_Star_Spray wrote: Sinbearer, you and Eä are very good at expressing your thoughts and ideas in ways I could only hope to . You both are excellent writers. Thank you very much. I am happy that I manage to convert my often confusing thoughts and ideas to coherent posts. But I am also convinced that I couldn't do it without you and other good debaters. Many things I would never even think of if I someone else had not started a thread on a certain topic, as when people go into a discussion so many interesting ideas and new perspectives are laid out and presented in a way that forces me to deal with them and think further than I would have done otherwise. Tinuviel's Tears wrote: The mallorns seem to be like both Laurelin and Telperion. Their bark is silver, like Telperion, but their leaves are of gold, like Laurelin. Maybe you're right Elwing. I think it's a good theory at any rate.
Excellent point. I never thought of the mallorn threes, but they only seem to grow in Lothlórien. When I recently read the chapter I thought of it briefly, but simply assumed that it was another wonder of the Golden Wood! _________________ >>Be the change you wish to see in the world<<
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Post subject: Posted: October 1st, 2006, 7:16 pm |
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[quote="Elwing_Star_Spray wrote: Sinbearer, you and Eä are very good at expressing your thoughts and ideas in ways I could only hope to . You both are excellent writers. Thank you very much. I am happy that I manage to convert my often confusing thoughts and ideas to coherent posts. But I am also convinced that I couldn't do it without you and other good debaters. Many things I would never even think of if I someone else had not started a thread on a certain topic, as when people go into a discussion so many interesting ideas and new perspectives are laid out and presented in a way that forces me to deal with them and think further than I would have done otherwise. [/quote]
You're welcome You consider me a good debater? Well, thank you  ! _________________ And she was named Elwing,which is Star-spray,for she was born on a night of stars,whose light glittered in the spray of the waterfall of Lanthir Lamath beside her father's house.
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Post subject: Posted: October 3rd, 2006, 2:37 pm |
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The Lothlorien part is amazing. So is the Moria part.
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Post subject: Posted: October 3rd, 2006, 5:03 pm |
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*Estel* wrote: The Lothlorien part is amazing. So is the Moria part.
They are both amazing parts of The Fellowship of the Ring. I love the Rivendell part, too . _________________ And she was named Elwing,which is Star-spray,for she was born on a night of stars,whose light glittered in the spray of the waterfall of Lanthir Lamath beside her father's house.
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Post subject: Posted: October 4th, 2006, 5:43 pm |
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yes!! i love the whole structual design
of rivendell
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Post subject: Posted: October 4th, 2006, 8:35 pm |
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galadriel2812 wrote: yes!! i love the whole structual design
of rivendell
It's very beautiful, isn't it? I love the whole structure to it.
Hmm...something about Lothlorien (trying to keep on suject  )...Both places, Lothlorien especially, really seem to just glow. Does that sound weird? Don't be afraid to tell me if it does  . _________________ And she was named Elwing,which is Star-spray,for she was born on a night of stars,whose light glittered in the spray of the waterfall of Lanthir Lamath beside her father's house.
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Post subject: Posted: October 5th, 2006, 12:56 pm |
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NO!!! of course not! it does glow with glory and majesty! it's like heaven of earth!!!
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Post subject: Posted: October 5th, 2006, 1:44 pm |
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Well, in the movie, the glowiness was very specific. In the book, I don't remember it being all that specifically addressed.
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Post subject: Posted: October 5th, 2006, 3:20 pm |
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well PJ just enhanced it somewhat, if i was him i would of did the same thing, galadriel seems like a beautiful with out fault, so PJ kinda distributed that to the landscape of her home, so they flow together
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