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PostPosted: October 7th, 2006, 11:32 am 
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Well, CotBP did leave a lot to the imagination at the end - we only know Jack sails off into the sunset or whatever, and Norrington goes after him, and Will and Elizabeth are apparently now getting married. I think it was a very apt continuation, to make Will and Elizabeth's actions come back to bite them with someone less merciful than Norrington, someone with more of an agenda on his mind. I don't know if I ever really thought of it as an awkward add-on, I was just so thrilled that a second one was coming out!

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Eh. I think that sort of unknowing-ness was good. What more could be added? (okay...obviously some stuff could.)
But, Will & Elizabeth ended out happily, we can assume that much. Did they become pirates, or live happily as blacksmiths? People can choose whichever they think to be true, and that gives it a special feature. We can also assume that Jack continued to go around pirating, and Norie probably chased him a bit, but for the most part they had settled their dispute. (At least, that's what I figured.)
It didn't seem like they had to spell everything out...that's what fanfics are for.

Still. I enjoyed parts of DMC, and wish they had kept more with the spirit of the first film. More stuff like the scene of the island with the fight & the ridiculous chase for the chest - that was a hillarious scene. None of this E/J stuff, and even the Davy Jones thing was a bit too dark for my tastes. Not that darkness is bad - I'm an LotR fan, after all. But Middle-Earth had the Shire, and Gondor. What does PotC have? Both the Sea and the British Lands are ruled by evil powers. This movie could have used some more sunlight.

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I guess that's why we have Jack...to walk in and say, "Why is the rum ALWAYS GONE?" and Pintel and Ragetti. But you know, I never wanted to see Jack with a romantic interest, and ESPECIALLY not Will's girl, so maybe that's why I liked CotBP more. I found Davy Jones pretty cool, but I agree, he was very dark. They should have had a few guys like Pintel and Ragetti with Davy, to lighten things up a bit. Anyway, I'm glad there was a second Pirates, and there's going to be a third - even if they had to awkwardly spin off a couple of things.

And on a very different note - has anyone else heard that a possible Pirates 4, 5 and 6 may be greenlighted for production?! I'm not sure how I feel about this! If it's going to be like Star Wars - HIDE ME! :hide:

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no way. There's too much already, that would just be crazy.

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I'm really keeping an open mind about all this (easier for me, I suppose, since I know already that they do redeem themselves at least somewhat).
The danger of expanding any story across two movies (as they are doing with DMC and AWE) is that the first of the two automatically will not meet all the criteria for a 'good movie.' It'll leave the audience second-guessing a lot of the characters and their motives, it'll have a lot of ostensible plot holes, and it won't even have a 'proper' conclusion. If its purpose were to stand alone, it'd be a horrible a movie. The real trick, though, is writing it in such a way that even though they aren't too happy with how the second one turned out, fans are still dying to see what happens in the third, because the role of the third is to redress every one of those problems. It exposes deeper plotlines and motivations that explain why a certain character acted in such a way at some point, fills in at least most of the plot holes with previously-unknown details, and wrap up all the loose ends from its predecessor. At this point I can't honestly say that I know a whole lot about AWE (we normally don't see much information until about 5-6 months before a movie's released), but what I do know suggests that it will meet all those requirements, and then some.
So, as for me, I'm not going to be hating anyone or anything until I have the whole story.


So, basically, it's all about making money. :annoyed: Sorry I'm like that.

The problem is, the first one was so amazing and COMPLETE. Having sequel just felt...out of place. So they had to think of weird stuff to get us interested, and they could just ride on the success of the first movie anyway.


Nah, it's more about giving people the story they deserve, I think. The whole story couldn't be fit into one movie without cutting major corners or making the movie 5 hours long (imagine the critics on that). So the story really did have to span across two movies, and because of that, the abovementioned complications arose. From my limited interaction with both Ted and Terry, I think it's safe to say they're not in it for the money. They're out to write a story that they like and do their characters justice, and if they happen to make mega-millions along the way, why not? As long as they're making money, Disney will let them do whatever it is they do that draws in so many fans, so it's actually good that they're making money off of this. They wrote CotBP because they thought it'd be an interesting story, but not a big-time movie. Tolkien did the very same thing with The Hobbit. He wrote The Hobbit with the intention of it being its own story, and wrote it because he wanted to. When fans surprisingly latched onto it and demanded a sequel, he rose to the occasion and gave them something more to satisfy their cravings.

Concerning everyone's complaints with DMC:

Everyone compares the Star Wars trilogy to PotC, but I think LotR (movie) trilogy fits it just as well:
Your first film (CotBP/FotR) introduces the characters, gets a plot in motion, gives a base romance (Will and Elizabeth/ Aragorn and Arwen), starts the hero on his journey, and could almost stand on its own as a story, but it leaves enough open at the end to allow for a sequel (Jack at the helm of the Black Pearl/ Frodo and Sam setting out for Mordor alone).

The second film (DMC/TTT) serves to continue the story and thicken the plot. The heroes encounter both old and new threats (Davy Jones against Jack/ Saruman against Rohan). The romance often becomes more complicated as a third contender is introduced (Jack complicates Will and Elizabeth/ Eowyn complicates Aragorn and Arwen). The characters are split up and take their own paths against different obstacles, though still ultimately moving toward the same goal. The villain's threat is more of a personalized one than a worldwide problem (Davy Jones specifically after Jack/ Saruman specifically after Rohan). A former adversary becomes at least a temporary ally (Barbossa/ Gollum). It may offer slight emotional closure (Will forgives his father/ Frodo and Sam have an emotional "I need you more" scene), but overall it doesn't have much of an ending. It also often ends with at least a group of the heroes preparing for an even bigger obstacle (Will, Elizabeth, & co. preparing to go rescue Jack/ Aragorn, Gandalf, & co. steeling themselves for Sauron's retribution).

The third and final movie (AWE/RotK) is both the climax and the resolution. All the heroes join back together from their individual paths to fight one final battle. This time around, not just one individual or group of people is at stake, but the whole world. The head villain is finally shown in all his evilishy glory for just how powerful he really is. Tension runs high among the main protagonists, and bonds of friendship are broken. The big battle (CLIMAX) is finally fought, and the villain(s) defeated. Resolution is brought to the original romantic pairing, often resulting in marriage. Friendships are repaired and made stronger than ever. And, in the end, they sail off into the sunset. Everyone's happy.


So...yeah. I remained kinda vague on the AWE comparison (cuz I'm just that evil), but there you have it. Would you (you being a general term here because I'm avoiding saying y'all) have judged the LotR Trilogy just by seeing FotR and TTT? I think once DMC is viewed as it should be (between CotBP and AWE), it'll make a lot more sense to people and get the credit it deserves. There's just no sense in passing a final judgment before having the whole story.


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Wow, PotR, that was quite the mini-essay. Bravo. But just to clarify, I was comparing Star Wars to PotC because, if they do a second trilogy, I'm afraid it'll turn out like that. Not so much as to the first trilogy, and not really plot-wise at all.

But now, it's time for me to fanatically read into your meager information about AWE! So the whole world is at stake, hmmm? Not just Will and Elizabeth's relationship? And 'resolution is brought to the original romantic pairing'? Does this mean what I think it means! Please yes!

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Lol I wasn't actually referring to anyone here on the Star Wars thing. I started writing that at 6:30 this morning, then had to leave to do a bunch of driving hours and car-shopping (I may have found one, and it's black, too!). I finished it up when I came home, but in that time several things had been posted. I just read through them for anything that needed to be addressed, didn't find anything, and posted it anyway. :D

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But now, it's time for me to fanatically read into your meager information about AWE! So the whole world is at stake, hmmm? Not just Will and Elizabeth's relationship? And 'resolution is brought to the original romantic pairing'? Does this mean what I think it means! Please yes!


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*Shakes head* I should have learned by now. Never ask PotR anything explicit. I'll just have to content myself with collecting an obscene amount of Will and Will/Elizabeth avatars, and counting the nanoseconds until May, while reading absurd things into the most innocent of posts and ending up completely convinced that Elizabeth ends up with Gibbs. Sigh.

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:lol:

I can appreciate where you're coming from, PotR. :) Still, LotR was made to be a trilogy. PotC was made to be a stand-alone. Such differences show up.

And...Eowyn never kissed Aragorn. And she wasn't selfish like Jack, and she didn't realize he was taken. But I see the similarities.

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~stares at massive post from Potr~ Whoa...that's talent.

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The PotC thrilogy( typo, but it's a cool typo) is a lot like the orignal star wars movies. Will and Luke are both out to save their fathers, the first movie was a surprise hit, both DMC and ESB were critized for their plots, and DMC and ESB both have cliffhanger endings with a character hanging sort of deadish. I'm too lazy to do a little essay like potr, but there are a lot more similarities between the two "thrilogies."

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Aye, I could go on and on about the similarities between SW and PotC (and have done so before), but I'll spare y'all another one of my essays. :teehee:


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PotR, do you know anything about these alarming rumors that if a Pirates 4 happens, Will is going to either die or not be present?! I don't care about Jack, it's not going to be Pirates without Will! I also think Orli's weird to not want to do more Pirates movies!

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:blink: What?! Nooo! Noooo! Not Will! It's not PotC without WILL! The heck with Jack, I want my Will! Waaah! :'( No Pirates 4! No no! NO! :explode:

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Haven't heard it yet, but that sounds a bit odd, as they're not planning on making any more sequels right now. In fact, anyone actually authorized to make that decision, when asked, has said they probably won't make more.


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