I like most of them.

Except for some like the Sackville-Bagginses which I thought where a bunch of greedy err... folks.

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I actually didn't mind Lobelia that much--she did stand up to Sharky's Men, after all.

Otho and Lotho, though, got on my nerves even more than the average hobbit. Grr.

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Hobbits were almost like humans in the way that there are good Hobits, and bad Hobbits.

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When the cold of winter comes
Starless night will cover day
In the veiling of the sun
We will walk in bitter rain
But in dreams
I can still hear your name
And in dreams
We will meet again
When the seas and mountains fall
And we come to end of days
In the dark I hear a call
Calling me there
I will go there
And Back again

Are you saying that people in Middle Earth hate hobbits or real life people who have seen the movies/read the books hate hobbits?

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Just humans in general. Well, both actually. In LOTR, there are people like Gandalf, and people like Saruman. In real life, there are people like the Pope, and people like Saddam Hussein, an many other examples that you yourself can see in your own life.

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When the cold of winter comes
Starless night will cover day
In the veiling of the sun
We will walk in bitter rain
But in dreams
I can still hear your name
And in dreams
We will meet again
When the seas and mountains fall
And we come to end of days
In the dark I hear a call
Calling me there
I will go there
And Back again

.... I'm an example of someone in real life who has seen the movies/read the books and dislikes hobbits. So...I think the topic was started with me in mind.

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You dislike Hobbits yet you have a banner of hobbits? Is this an alternative universe? I'm confused.

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Lol. I dislike the average hobbit (the travelling ones, such as Frodo, Sam, Merry, Pip, Bilbo, etc, are okay). However, the pictures in the banner were chosen because they best fit the poem.

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Hmm.... so, Fatty Bolger and his band of rebels don't count when it comes to standing up to Sharky's Men? The Tooks, who kept Sharky's Men from entering Tookland, don't count? How about the 200 some hobbits who fought in the Battle of Bywater?



Boy, oh boy, do the hobbits ever go up in fire! Quite literally, in one case.



Need hard-core proof of the hobbits on fire? How about the casualties of the Battle of Bywater?

Hobbits: 19

Ruffians: 70

I love this section in LotR. Here we've had enormous, epic battles, huge armies, noble lords and heroes and disgustingly evil and powerful villains...

And then, we have the Hobbits. The little folk. The normal people, like you and me. Not warriors. Not wizards. Not kings.
And they are the ones to smite the final blows in the whole War of the Ring.

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Ah, but that is still in the defence of the Shire. If you notice, it was Merry, Pippin, and Sam who got the "glory" from that. Frodo was largely overlooked, despite being the one who made the biggest sacrifice. The hobbits still took the peace of their land largely for granted, thinking it came from their own efforts (at least, that is what the average hobbit seemed to think. Ones like Farmer Maggot or Fatty Bolger didn't, but they're not average hobbits, either).

So while the hobbits were roused during the Scouring of the Shire, they once again overlooked the chief reasons for it. They overlooked the Rangers, and they overlooked Frodo. That is why that part (After the Battle of Brandywine) always gets on my nerves. Frodo gets hardly any recognition from his own people.

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Mate, Hobbits are ok really. Just because most of the hobbits dont get as much recognition doesnt mean that they were any less honourable or that their fcommunity wud forget them

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What? I only mentioned that Frodo was overlooked--the average hobbit didn't do anything that would make overlooking a bother. I'm afraid I don't get the point in your last statement, as such.

And I know most hobbits don't get as much recognition, but they are ignorant, of their own choice. That's what bothers me. Maybe they're honourable, but they are still ignorant. They take the Ranger's efforts for granted. I don't care if the hobbits were super honourable or anything--that doesn't matter to me. What bothers me about them is that they overlook the efforts of those who keep the Shire peaceful.

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They're simple folk. Their way of life is different than others. Nobody told them that it was Frodo that destroyed the ring and all that so how could they be expected to know. I think they are adorable and sweet but of course they're different.
They are thier own race and it was thier job to defend thier piece of Middle Earth.

I mean (in the books) the elves didn't fight much in the war of the Ring either. They defended Lothlorien. The dwarves defended the Lonely Mtn. And men defended Gondor and Rohan. The ents were basically defending Fanghorn. So the Hobbits aren't that much different in that respect. They happened to live in a geographical area that was affected later than most.

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"Even the smallest person can change the course of the future..."

My point is that they wouldn't be living in a peaceful area if it weren't for the efforts of the Rangers, who they overlooked.

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Aerendir, i totally understand what you mean, but may i just say that there was a point to this.

The fact that the hobbits overlooked the work done by Frodo is significant. It allows the audience and the four hobbits alone to experience a connection, in the sense that the audience have followed through on the journey of the hobbits. The fact that the Shire Folk remain oblivious does offer us an insight into their character, and you are quite correct, in this sense they are ignorant...however, this is because they have no knowledge of the war of the ring, hobbits are reserved creatures and have no need to meddle in affairs outside of the Shire, as they believe.

It also means that Frodo can remain humble, and we can feel his emotion, coming from inside. It creates a stronger atmosphere if you think about it. If Frodo was to roam around blurting out to every hobbit that passed 'I saved the Shire' or if every hobbit that passed was shouting 'Thank you dear Frodo, you have served us an honourbale deed, your name shall go down in history' blah blah...it wouldn't have the same effect now would it?

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Frodo can be recognised and appreciated for his efforts without losing his humble nature. The hobbits don't have to be so reserved--they choose to be. It grates on my nerves.

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