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Post subject: Posted: April 26th, 2007, 1:46 am |
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Yeah. I never knew that there were 'four elements' of it.
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Post subject: Posted: April 26th, 2007, 9:42 am |
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me neither. I agree with you Haldir. Sci-Fi always seemed pretty self-explanatory to me as well.
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Post subject: Posted: April 27th, 2007, 10:15 pm |
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Aerandir wrote: Firaeya Laisidhiel wrote: Well, the four elements of Sci Fi are: 1./ Human nature or society is depicted 2./ A seemingly scientific but NOT scientific idea is expressed and plays a strong part in the story 3./ Presents the strange and unusual 4./ Tells a good story/has an identifiable plotline So I don't think LotR is Sci Fi. They say "magic" is a strong element of fantasy, and that makes LotR fantasy. According to what are you saying that those are the four elements of Sci-Fi? I've never heard them stated clearly before.
I got those from a book excerpt I read for our Sci-Fi unit at school (in Language Arts). We tested the "Four Elements of SF" on a bunch of short stories and novels and it worked every time.
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Post subject: Posted: April 27th, 2007, 10:22 pm |
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Well if that is true... then number 4 does apply. But it is ruled out, since the other ones don't really.
Interesting though... I never knew that. *ponders*
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Post subject: Posted: April 28th, 2007, 8:06 am |
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me neither. But I think it is pretty interesting as well.
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Post subject: Posted: April 29th, 2007, 12:51 pm |
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But couldnt a mythology be Sci-Fi, just because the generic sci-fi books have guns and lasers, doesnt mean all of them do... And personally, i think that:
1. LotR depicts human society(along with Elves and Hobbits)
2. World domination has been a scientific/not scientific idea for a while, the sort of "crushing the unusual" thing. But then again, Sauron is a giant flaming eye, so that is sort of unusual.
3. it definately presents the strange and unusual, orcs, goblins, mumakil, balrogs, fell beasts, magic rings etc.
4.It certainly tells a good story and has an amazing plot line.
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Post subject: Posted: April 29th, 2007, 1:08 pm |
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Joined: 01 August 2006 Posts: 483 Location: \\tHaT cLoUd FlOaTiNg AbOvE yOuR hEaD//
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Dark, Queen of Angmar wrote: But couldnt a mythology be Sci-Fi, just because the generic sci-fi books have guns and lasers, doesnt mean all of them do... And personally, i think that:
1. LotR depicts human society(along with Elves and Hobbits) 2. World domination has been a scientific/not scientific idea for a while, the sort of "crushing the unusual" thing. But then again, Sauron is a giant flaming eye, so that is sort of unusual. 3. it definately presents the strange and unusual, orcs, goblins, mumakil, balrogs, fell beasts, magic rings etc. 4.It certainly tells a good story and has an amazing plot line.
Human society is there, but "world domination" isn't exactly "scientific". "Not exactly scientific" means a pseudoscience, like alchemy or hypnosis. Stuff like that. Strange and unusual really means concepts, like experimenting with death or aliens. The plotline is definitely there, though.
One particular story that doesn't include lasers and guns and stuff but has still been called sci-fi is The Facts In the Case of M. Valdemar, by Edgar Allen Poe. If you read that, you'd definitely be able to tell that it and LotR have identifiable differences (I still don't think LotR is SF!).
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Post subject: Posted: April 29th, 2007, 1:29 pm |
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Do you remember what the book was called? I'm interested in finding out how official it is, because I've never heard of the 'four elements of sci-fi' before.
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Post subject: Posted: April 29th, 2007, 3:04 pm |
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I'm not sure because my LA teacher made copies of the excerpt, but I'll ask her. If she knows, I'll post it on here. Also, I asked one of my friends about this and this is what he said:
Firaeya Laisidhiel's Friend wrote: The person who started this has his/her definitions wrong. SciFi is a story in which an element of science is crucial to the story's existence. Fantasy is a story that takes place in a "fantastic" land but does not necessarily have an element of science. A story taking place in a fantastic land with science, to me, is science fiction. Dragons is fantasy. Dragons with laser guns can be fantasy, unless the laser guns are the crucial part of the story. Dragons with laser guns in a story about warring kingdoms is fantasy. Dragons with laser guns in a story about new cloning that has cloned old monsters is science fiction.
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Post subject: Posted: April 30th, 2007, 4:03 pm |
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I agree with what you friend said about fantasy, because Fantasy doesn't need any element of science. I think the term science-ficiton is pretty self-explanatory, so in my opinion a sci-fi story as to have an element of science which is of importance for the story.
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Post subject: Posted: April 30th, 2007, 6:11 pm |
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"is glad to be know as the person who started this thread and has his/her definitions wrong" not funny -_-
Personally, i think this is a "what do you think thread", you can discuss the details of what makes up a "Model Sci-fi and Fantasy" story all you want.
Science:a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws.
Fiction:the class of literature comprising works of imaginative narration, esp. in prose form.
Science Fiction:A literary or cinematic genre in which fantasy, typically based on speculative scientific discoveries or developments, environmental changes, space travel, or life on other planets, forms part of the plot or background.
Figure it out for yourself, apparently i have my definitions wrong.
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Post subject: Posted: April 30th, 2007, 6:40 pm |
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Post subject: Posted: April 30th, 2007, 7:33 pm |
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its fine, i love being called stupid on a regular basis...
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Post subject: Posted: May 10th, 2007, 10:30 am |
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When I think of Sci-Fi Ithink of Star Wars.
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Post subject: Posted: May 10th, 2007, 8:00 pm |
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Joined: 28 November 2006 Posts: 2523 Location: Rivendell (hah I wish)
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Ashwise wrote: When I think of Sci-Fi Ithink of Star Wars.
Me too! *high fives* 
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