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Post subject:  Posted: May 26th, 2007, 4:59 pm |
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Doesn't sound like people were satisfied lol
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Post subject: Posted: May 26th, 2007, 5:05 pm |
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ooh, not me, i was most def. satisfied, beyond satisfied, im so satisfied im re-satisfied.
i dont think i could of said "satisfied" any more in that sentence... 
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Post subject: Posted: May 26th, 2007, 5:17 pm |
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@ eowynfaramir4eva: Thanks so much eowyn! That really clarifies a lot of things about the movie that I didn't understand before. 
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Post subject: Posted: May 26th, 2007, 5:26 pm |
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Larael wrote: *munches on cookie* Thankies Darky. *ish excited* Oh yes! I'm a huge Willabether. Maybe not so much as Melda, but I am a Willabether for sure. Going back to eowynfaramir4eva's theory- I love it! Now that I've read your post and I can think back on the movie, that would totally make sense. Gosh I hope that I could happen. It'd be so sweet! If they made a fourth movie that's what I'd want it to be about for sure.  *does a happy dance* I know! It would be like happily ever after, and Will's son would have a dad and....squee! That would make me absolutely so happy!
Am I really that much of a Willabether? I suppose I am And Larael, every time I see your banner I practically swoon, it's so beautiful! _________________ 
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Post subject: Posted: May 26th, 2007, 5:37 pm |
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Aww thank you. I love it too. I'm all ready to get another made once more pictures become available.
Wheee! Look at us.. we could direct the movie ourselves and it'd turn out perfectly I think. 
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Post subject: Posted: May 26th, 2007, 5:47 pm |
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Better not let the romantics get loose or we'll have one and a half scenes with Jack and the rest with be Willabeth. Not that I'd have a problem with that...but others might I can't get enough Willabeth banners. I really can't, they're just so swoon-worthy!
I can't decide whether I like CotBP or AWE better. CotBP was really cool in that it didn't take itself very seriously and was just fun and bouncy, but AWE was so moving and deep and bittersweet and....I really don't know! _________________
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Post subject: Posted: May 26th, 2007, 5:52 pm |
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 Good point! That'd be one short movie as well. There's only so much you can do with the Willabeth pairing that doesn't get too.. much. 
I definitely liked AWE better. It was a huge leap away from CotBP, which is what I liked.
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Post subject: Posted: May 26th, 2007, 6:01 pm |
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True, each movie has had its own unique flavor. I was a little weirded out at the beginning of AWE but once I accepted it wasn't really like DMC I was fine. It's really intriguing how they're all different yet the same.
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Post subject: Posted: May 26th, 2007, 6:07 pm |
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wow....lost of posts in so little time...
well im still not sure about how i feel about a 4th movie, there might be potential but part of me still thinks it might be too much.
i have to agree ( i don't remember who said it) that the end was awesome and it really was what helped me make the decision that i was very satisfied with the movie....though there was alot of humor, there were just times where i would stop and realize that i really hadn't decided how i felt about the movie yet....but by the end and especially the last like 15 min. of the movie i loved it and thinking back on everything else that happened made me realized how much i liked it.
i remember reading back a few pages i think that someone had ask y elizabeth couldn't go with will...and i have the same quest. ( i don't remember if it was answered so if it was sry for asking again) i mean he couldn't step on land for 10 years but couldn't she go on sea with him as the crew?
but im def. satisfied with AWE
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Post subject: Posted: May 26th, 2007, 6:21 pm |
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Geeez….. I’ve been gone like 2 hours and there are three new pages…. here goes….
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@ Darky – Yes, I loved that scene with Elizabeth as well. I loved the expression on Barbossa’s face and when he looked to try and see where she had hidden that huge blunderbuss.(sp?)
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@ eowynfaramir4eva – Thanks for posting that about the “curse”. I never really saw it as curse though, just a task he was given to do. I’m not sure if I really like that storyline though.
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@ TheThain – LOL!! Well believe it or not I do sleep….. but not until about 5 in the morning…. So I have plenty of time to be on here…. Although there never really seems to be enough time to answer everyone’s questions in this thread.
Yes, you are right. Their characters seemed to have changed immediately, from the moment we saw them they were different. I would have liked to have seen the changes myself and not just have them thrown at me.
No, you’re not the only one to feel sorry for him. I know me and Darky doo… but we like Davy Jones anyway. 
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@ Darky – No the kid at the end was a boy called Will. How do I know this? On the end credits is a character name – Young Will – me and my brother both looked at each eacher, wondering if we had fallen alsleep during a flashback of a young Will Turner…. But seeing their son now makes perfect sense of that credit.
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@ Meldawen - I can’t really remember the kiss….. I can just remember the embarrassment beforehand.
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@ Larael – Sao Feng was really developing into a good character. I would much rather have had him around for longer than have Elizabeth becoming a Pirate Lord.
Hmm…. I can’t say I noticed more blood and gore myself…. But maybe I just don’t notice those kind of things.
The humour in this film was excellent. What DMC lacked AWE delivered.
Well… that may have something to do with the fact that you can go to the other side and bring back dead people. That is pretty supernatural afterall.
Yes, I have to agree with you. I wouldn’t have minded so much if they had made an appearance in DMC, but as it was they were pointlessly added.
As I’ve said before, her becoming one with the sea again didn’t bother me, it was just the giant aspect of it. If she had turned into waves, that would have been even better.
The multiple Jacks were bloody brilliant…. I just wish they had confined the Jacks to that scene and not through the film. It got to be too much like the angel and one side and the devil on the other.
 Seriously, Barbossa is fantastic. I swoon when I see him (yes, I’m weird). There is no other character in POTC that doesn’t allow himself to be upstaged by Jack – and that’s thanks to the superb performance by Geoffrey Rush. On their own, they are divine, together – dynamite.
The soundtrack is superb. Hans Zimmer tends to get a bit samey after a while, with certain pieces of music used for all his films. With AWE (apart from the recurring POTC themes) I can’t make out any pieces of re-used music. This score is the best of the POTC soundtracks. My favourite is possibly Up is Down as it just makes me laugh remembering what was happening in that scene.
Exactly! I want everyone to become immortal! Even then monkey! 
I think the idea behind Beckett’s death, is that it was a quick death…. This was a man seeing all his dreams…. And visions…. Literally shattering and splintering around him. Very cool way to go.
WAILS Oh, my….sniff*…..I’m you were thinking of me…. but I’d have preferred there not to be situation that called for it.
The ending… hmmm…. I don’t like it. At all. If only they had discarded Will being stabbed, and Bootstrap had stabbed the heart. Everyone would have got what they wanted. Will with Elizabeth. Bootstrap free. And all the characters available for another film.
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@ Ellie – Well personally I thought the western music was really nifty. And it’s not really a classical score, what I’m listening to at the moment “Multiple Jacks” is far from that. If you think about it, the scene almost did resemble a gun fight, and it was also pretty humoures to see Jones in a bucket of water standing next to a stern Beckett.
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@ Phoenix – Yes, it’s my favourite out the three as well. But I would be lying to say it was completely flawless because for me it isn’t. There are parts that I will never liked, but the good things do outweigh these things.
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And that’s it!! I’m done!! Yay!
*goes to have a lie down*
*scratch that as I’d probably be doing this all over again*
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Post subject: Posted: May 26th, 2007, 6:26 pm |
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Lovely reply JF. Thanks dear. *applauds*
Seems as though we agreed on a lot. Especially everything to do with the ending. It was a huge shock that I don't think any of us were expecting. I'm still a bit miffed myself. But.. it's slowly growing on me after I read what eowynfaramir4eva posted.
Aww.. I know. Norrie should've lived. His death seemed so unnecessary to me. 
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Post subject: Posted: May 26th, 2007, 6:27 pm |
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Quote: @ Meldawen - I can’t really remember the kiss….. I can just remember the embarrassment beforehand.
I admit it, I really liked that bit. Though...I did wonder when Elizabeth had time to shave her legs, what with everything that was happening...maybe she hid the shower in the same place as the blunderbuss!
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Post subject: Posted: May 26th, 2007, 6:33 pm |
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Post subject: Posted: May 26th, 2007, 6:54 pm |
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Oh dear GOODNESS! I started typing this post this morning with only a few things to address, then had to go to work, and y'all posted SIX PAGES while I was gone!  I shall never get through all this...
Ah well. I shall do my best, and y'all just have to deal with it.
Amoniel wrote: did i miss it during the movie? I saw you guys were saying that Barbossa told Chow Fan?? or what ever his name is that Elizabeth was Cylopses? Barbossa never told Sao Feng that Elizabeth was Calypso; he merely implied it. He wanted Sao Feng to side with them, so Sao had to know that they had Calypso, but Barbossa did not want Feng to get the real Calypso. When one thinks 'goddess,' one generally pictures an eternally young, beautiful being with an untamable spirit. Therefore, Sao reached his own conclusion with the help of that assumption, and Barbossa didn't argue. Elizabeth is, at that point, expendable in his plan. Better to let Feng have Elizabeth than Tia, the true Calypso. Amoniel wrote: And why can't Elizabeth go with Will on the Flying Dutchman? Because the Dutchman's duties are in the realm between the worlds. The original responsilbity of Jones (and the Dutchman) was to carry souls to the land of the dead. He would do so for ten years, and then he would be allowed to be with the one he loved, if she was faithful (which she was not). Will's responsibility is the same. As Bootstrap said, "Where we are bound, she cannot go." The living have no place in the land of the dead. Amoniel wrote: AND WHY OH WHY did Norrington have to die??? First and foremost, allow me to state that I am a DIEHARD Norrington fan girl. That scene was heartwrenching for me- all the more because Bootstrap is my other favorite character and I was pitying him, too. HOWEVER, I do see the necessity of his sacrifice. From the plot's standpoint: He saved Elizabeth and the entire crew of the Empress, thus allowing them to reach Shipwreck Cove, which was crucial, since she's one of the nine Pirate Lords. From the writer's standpoint: Where else was he going to go? We saw in the second film that he does not sit well with the pirate life. It's just not him. We see in the third film that the Navy is no longer what it once was (thanks to Beckett), and it thus has no place for honest, noble men such as himself. What is he going to do? He's a man of the sea, that much is certain, so he could perhaps come to own (or work on) a merchant vessel, but he also loves being in battles (this is not my own assumption; it's supported by interviews). So he'd be rather bored with that life. By saving Elizabeth, he has completed the usual character arc and has his redemption, so there is very little character-development to be done as well. As a general rule (okay, more of a guideline) of writing, the moment a character comes to completely understand who he is and what he stands for, you either immediately undermine that understanding (which already happened via DMC) or kill him. I know that sounds cold and detached and like I couldn't care less about Norrington (nothing is further from the truth), but the bottom line is, that's the way it works. I love James and wept through the whole scene and was in a general state of despondency when I first learned of his fate, but truth be told, I wouldn't have it any other way. Better to give him his final noble act, a full redemption, a KISS, and a heartwrenching death scene than to keep dragging him along for the sake of keeping him alive. He died saving the woman he loved and being completely true to himself, and that is enough for me. [quote= "Johnny's Fan"]Norrington is the most noble character in POTC. He often has sacraficed what he has wanted most in the world for the benefit of others.[/quote] See above. Amoniel wrote: Also was anyone confused for like more than half the movie? See it a few more times, and things should start to come together. As I've said before, sometimes they give the audience 2+2 and then leave it up to them to get 4. (And sometimes they give them ((2^5)-8)/6 and still trust them to get 4). I actually like that they trust the audience to gather more than is spoon-fed to them. Dark, Queen of Angmar wrote: How i understand it is that Davy was not doing his job properly, and thats why him and his crew went all fishy. He was supposed to be on the other side ferrying the souls, but he wasn't. Smart cupcake. *throws cookie* Amoniel wrote: AND Willabeth has a SON! OMG. But i still hate that he can only see them every 10 years! ERGH! So maddening! Johnny's Fan wrote: Lol, yes it did. I was so strange seeing him in a bucket of water, and seeing all the other buckets has used. I think he looked either embarrased or bewildered, Jones. I mean, it's not something he is used to.
Which begs the question.... could Will not do that so he could visit Elizabeth every now and then, if for some reason she can't go on his ship? Okay, this is one of those instances where we are given some insane trigonometric equation so complicated that I can't even come up with one and still expected to get 4. There was originally supposed to be more dialogue and scenes that explained this, but apparently some were cut out (for time reasons) without the writers' permission or knowledge. I was going to explain this, but eowynfaramir4eva graciously took care of that one for me.  To reiterate/sum up, because Calypso was not faithful for 10 years, Jones had to perform his duties forever. Because Elizabeth WAS faithful for 10 years, Will is no longer bound to the Dutchman. (This is actually a part of the original Flying Dutchman opera). Johnny's Fan wrote: Hmm... I don't think I like this theory.... it's as if they're desperately trying to get out of the hole they have dug themselves in - the hole being our love interests can never be together except one day every 10 years.
They should have either had it where Will was not the Captain of the Dutchman or else he is. They can't have it both ways.
Apparently they can. Yay for movies!
There are a few other miscellaneous comments that I would like to reply to, but they'd all be short little responses and really not very necessary, so I'll just sum it up by saying everything and everyone was amazing. It had a few little problems, but all stories do. As long as you watch the movie for everyone and not just one character, it really is quite a wonderful movie. 
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Post subject: Posted: May 26th, 2007, 7:06 pm |
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I have to disagree with you about Norrington. It is my belief, that had he gone with Elizabeth, after letting her and the crew escape, he could have fought on their side to rid the world of Beckett and the threat of the Flying Dutchman. As you said, thanks to Beckett the Navy was no longer what it once was, so by helping Jack & Co, not only would he be helping the Pirates (yes, they are pirates but I think even Norrington disliked what was happening to them) but he would be ridding the Navy of a malign influence.
I think the writers, if they could not have found a way to keep him in the stroy (which I'm convinced they could have done.... if they can come up with a line to bring both Barbossa and Jack back.... ) at least give him a useful death. Letting Elizabeth escape, and being killed after said escape...and being killed by someone who is later deemed someone the audience should be happy for.... is not a good way to to kill someone.
If the writers had already ordered his execution, let him have died in battle, surrounded by those fighting for what they believe in. Norrington, the best swordsman in POTC after Barbossa, dying at the hands of Bootstrap, was frankly a pathetic death. To me, it seemed to suggest that not only could the writers find nothing more for him to do (they should have asked me and a couple of others from here for advice) they set about killing him off as soon as they possibly could, no matter how pointless it seemed to the paying public.
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Post subject: Posted: May 26th, 2007, 8:56 pm |
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One thing, I absolutely adored about the complex simplicity of this movie is the opening titles. It just said simply, in Garamond or Goudy or something, Times New Roman "At World's End". I just thought that was an amazingly simple touch to this anything but film.
************* Spoilers Here On Out **************
Highlight to read (better).
That ending jarred me though. I really thought that Jack would be the one to stab the heart since he would've wanted that immortality, and if Jack was the one that stabbed the heart, it would work out everything for Will. Will would have his dad, and Elizabeth. Jack would get his immortality.
Reality works in the strangest ways.
I loved how they sorted out the love triangle....I REALLY did not like that triangle in the 2nd movie. It's Will/Elizabeth, flat-down. Jack is just one of those forever bachelor fellows, always looking out for his own butt, no one else's.
I must say though I am now a Davy Jones / Calypso shipper. I'm pretty proud that I called on their being an item in the past though.... didn't know it was "Calypso" rather than just Tia Dalma. It would make sense why she lived so long.
Pirate Lords ----- HOW FREAKING COOL OF A TITLE IS THAT?!
[totally wants to be a pirate lord]
Man... I just love Davy Jones. That "sad" expression KILLS ME. Just KILLS ME. Y'know what another cute thing was? JACK. That thing IS SO ADORABLE, I want him!
It's so surprising how absolutely dark this film is --- even darker than DMC in my opinion, I occasionally forget that it's a Disney movie ---- and that the story's based on a AMUSEMENT PARK RIDE. So bizarre!
Two things though ----- okay, so they're fighting in the Maelstrom, yes? Davy Jones is going after Jack, Jack's swingin' about, and Davy Jones grabs a sword off of some soldier and kills him because said soldier was too distracted oogling the sword ---- what's up with that? I think that's the thing that bothered me the most.
Another thing is ten years later, they have a kid. WOW. They made a kid on their FIRST try --- they are THAT good. Another thing, Elizabeth is still a pirate or a commoner now? Because she looked like a commoner, and if she was----wouldn't she get hanged for being a pirate/association with a pirate/conspiring to free a pirate/blowing up and Royal Navy fleet? .... something?
But all in all, I loved it --- a very satisfying end to a great trilogy.
Now let's just hope Disney doesn't screw it up and make a sequel.
[very anti-PotC 4]
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