Oh, I don't think Elizabeth's story could be totally over. I mean it just doesn't make sense that she'd stay on that island, give birth alone, make a home alone and all that.

And I know Johnny Depp may be the main pull to PotC (and they would be stupid to get rid of him) but personally Jack's great and funny and all that but there are others in the cast I like better. And it just seems weird that they'd be wanting to save money (hasn't the trilogy brought in more then enough of it to pay for another one?) and so they'd not want to pay for Orlando (or Keira (although I don't think she has any desire to come back)) to return... that's why I get the bad feeling that it's all just for the money. And I'd hate for PotC to turn into something like that.

But I respect what you say and you have some good points... it's just a difference in opinion, I guess.

P.S and just for the record I do like Will the best but it's NOT for Orlando Bloom.. .. I like Will. I've never met Orlando so I can't judge if I like him or not... but from some things I've heard I don't think I would really care for him if I ever did meet him. Actually most of the time in movies I don't go for the actors but for the characters and the story because I know the characters, I don't really know the actors.... but that's off topic.

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Well, it is about money. All movies are and if you had a movie series that was making that much money you'd be pretty weird not to make another for more money... It's just good business.

It is for our entertainment also though, obviously.

The thing about Elizabeth and Will thoug is it's not really interesting. If they were to be in it, what would it be? Will would just be sailing back and forth and Elizabeth would be raising her kid. It's not really a plot. I'm sure they could work them in if they really wanted to, but I actually think that THAT would be the mistake. It's a perfect ending for them.

A lot more could be done with the other characters though.

Yeah, I heard that about Keira. Orlando's taking a break off from film also. He's doing some theater. I'm actually pretty annoyed with most of the hyper willabeth fans myself because they keep complaining about how they won't be in it. The more I've read lately I'm not sure the writers for the films are really cutting them out (it's more questionable whether or not they'd want them back) but they chose to step out. I think it will all work out though.

I definently understand what you mean about characters vs. the actors. There are lot of actors and actresses I really don't like personally, but they play some characters that I really do.

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If I had a movie like LotR or PotC that made a lot of money you're right it would be pretty stupid not to make another but... sometimes it's nice to have a movie that doesn't have that feeling of that's it just all about the money. Like how LotR feels. Peter Jackson wanted to try to make LotR into a movie... and he had a vision for LotR. It wasn't all about the money.

For the first three films I enjoyed the Will/Elizabeth story. But that's an interesting point about what the Will/Elizabeth story would be for a fourth Pirates... I don't think they really would have that much more to add - at least to Will - either... although it might be interesting to see exactly what he does down there and how it all works. I'd still hate to see another Pirates without them though.
not that watching Jack and Barbossa fight and go through more misadventures (:lol:) wouldn't be entertaining but it would loose some of it's PotC-y feel without Will and Elizabeth.

And don't worry I don't think I'd call myself a hyper Willabeth fan. I like them and I'm very happy they ended up together (they work a lot better then Jack/Elizabeth would have) and I am disappointed they won't be in a fourth Pirates but I don't think that's makes me a hyper Willabether. But I think if they waited a few years Orlando might (just might) have a good possiblity of wanting to return... hey, who knows.

Also, I just thought of this, to even think of another Pirate movie they most definitely need the same director and writers. That's one of the bigger musts in my opinion right after Will and Norrie returning (although I think Norrington is out no matter what )

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Ha ha. Yes.

I wonder, actually, if the AWE DVD will have any more clips of Will and Elizabeth.

Maybe, for their clip they always have at the ending credits they could show what was becoming of them. That would be sort of funny.

You're right that it won't be the same. I think it's going to be a lot of fun though. I'm excited for it.

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With the dissapointment the DMC DVD was I doubt the AWE one will be any better. Was it just me or did the DMC bonus features seem so... pointless? There just wasn't much there. The Jack Sparrow: Head to Foot was probably the best bonus feature on there. But maybe they'll do better for the AWE special features (one can only hope).

Oh, you mean in the next Pirates? Yeah, that actually wouldn't be too bad... at least we would get a little Will and Elizabeth.

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^Oh, I like that idea! The one about the end snippet for #4 being a look-in at Will and Lizzie, I mean.

And I'd probably go see POTC 4 if it didn't look too stupid, even if Will and Elizabeth weren't in it. Though they are my favorite characters, I've grown sort of fond of Jack and Barbossa too. It would be fun to watch a whole movie with those two bickering nonstop.

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So do I but I read somewhere they are planning on releasing it in December again... *long sigh*

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I think I have to agree with you on that.

It is, without doubt, due to Johnny that POTC was such a hit. Now, I know people are going to say about how great Orlando and Keira were and how they need to be given their due BUT I think if you have any reviews from COTBP, they all will pretty much mention what an unsual and brilliant performace he gave, and how he was Pirates of the Caribbean. It also has to be noted, that Johnny was nominated for an Oscar, for a type of role that is usually shunned by the Academy.

On top of that, how many of us really came away from COTBP raving about Will? Seriously, can you hand on heart say you came out quoting Will and talking about his performance more than Johnny's?

I think if you're answer is the negative, times that by a couple of other million negatives, and you'll realise that the world and its dog, knows Johnny is what gathered the audience and kept the audience, and in reality the audience want more of Jack, as he is a character, who is so unusual, and so spontaneous, you never quite know what he'll do next.

No matter how great Keira and Orlando were in the films, they simply couldn't hold their own, against the more experienced actor and the better character.

So I think they are definitely expendable, especially as their stories do seem to have arrived at some sort of "conclusion". To bring them back for another film would be like flogging a dead horse - pointless.

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Honestly,I like alot Pilates,but more movies sounds like a bad idea..And the story could be: the adventures of little William?A story only about Jack?
(And for the Star Wars sequels,to tell the truth I liked them,such as the original trilogy.)
Something that irks me too much is that now,everyone is making children's books into films!It started with LOTR and HP(it was alright),but now we have Narnia,Eragon,the Signs(movie that's coming),the golden compass,...etc,etc,;come on,it's not going to end! .

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(oh, you liked The Phantom Menece, AotC, and RotS? *high fives* I do too! So many other people hate them but I enjoyed them as much if not more than the original trilogy. )

nope, it's not going to stop... although LotR and Narnia (so far)weren't bad (I've never read or watched HP so I can't judge there)... but the rest of them? Well, I watched Eragon and it seemed too much like LotR but I've heard the book was a lot better than the movie. and I don't really know about The Golden Compass either. *shrugs* but as long as they can make money off of it they'll make it.... "you can count on that"



*high fives* think it's only about 91 days away! Take comfort in that my friend! we can make it!

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Oo, that's an idea! I think I'd enjoy a movie about Will James Turner III.
I know, but as long as they keep doing a good job of them I don't really mind.


You make a good argument, and I'll say Johnny did a magnifient job with Jack. (He really should have one that Oscar...) but really, I think Will and Elizabeth provided good supporting roles... kind of the yin to his yang. It was a nice balance, in my opinion. So yes, Jack makes it Pirates of the Caribbean but Will and Elizabeth add the flavor it needs to be so widely popular.

But that brings us to the problem... they're story was wrapped up so it does sound pointless to bring them back. Plus, Orlando and Keira don't want to do another.


I know, I won't like an actor until I know that they're a good person at heart. I didn't really like Orlando for a while, but then I heard he said this:
"I'm in love with love. It's heavenly when you're falling for someone and you can't stop thinking about her."
and
"I'm quite sensitive to women. I saw how my sister got treated by boyfriends. I read this thing that said when you are in a relationship with a woman, imagine how you would feel if you were her father. That's been my approach, for the most part."
I still don't know him personally, but at least I know he's not a complete jerk.

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I'm happy to hear that, Taur. awww, that is so sweet of him! so true... even though I don't know him personally I think Orli is an ok guy... definitely not just a jerk.

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I'm tired of the many fantasy films coming out now too. Most of them aren't done very well either! They're all just cashing in. I wish more people in the world would come up with their own ideas and be original. Still, you can't really blame them.

I'm still all for another sequal just about Jack though. Can't tire of him and I can't WAIT until AWE comes out!

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I would like to see Will & Elizabeth's son go off with Jack and they could have some really fun adventures... it would be like a mini Jack apprentice or something!

I'm really sad that Orlando's gone. Not so much about Keira... Elizabeth is replacable.