| Author |
Message |
|
|
Post subject: Re: Mortals going to Valinor  Posted: July 10th, 2007, 7:11 am |
|
Joined: 10 June 2005
Posts: 1871
Location: Minas Tirith
Country: 
Gender: Female
|
Elven Archer wrote: Well I have been reading alot of fanfictions recently, of stories where the mortals/humans do not go to Valinor. It makes the whole fiction very depressing and is really annoying me. The mortals should be able to go to Valinor or otherwise Frodo, Bilbo, Gimli, Sam and such wouldn't have been able to go. But anyway it's been really annoying me in the stories where Aragorn and others have not gone to Valinor once they die. Because I think they definatly(especially Estel) would. What do you guys think?
I think Aragorn would definitely go if Arwen left or she was taken. _________________  Faith isn't the ability to believe long and far into the misty future.
It's simply taking God at His Word and taking the next step Joni Erickson Tada
|
|
| Top |
|
 |
|
|
Post subject: Posted: August 3rd, 2007, 10:39 pm |
|
Joined: 07 October 2006
Posts: 2474
Location: From the north I have come, need has driven me and I have passed the doors to the path of the M6
|
Elven Archer wrote: Hmmm.....but what about Gimli? That is not against what Tolkien wrote, and Sam also was not a ringbearer, but he too went to Valinor. Even if you were a ringbearer like Frodo, what difference does it make? You are still mortal. Didn't Elros also go to Valinor (I could be wrong though.) He was a mortal too. 
Darrell is right, Gimli was allowee d there because Galadriel obtained the grace for him, and sam was a ringbearer so it was his right.The burden of bearing the ring was so great, That I suppose it was the only way they could be healed totally for the ringbearers, very similar to the Avalon idea in the Arthurian Mythology. And if mortals lived there they would becoime enamored of the deathless, and desire it themselves, which would go totally against erus plans so thats really out of the question I guess.
The Lamenter
_________________
"This is the hour of the Shire-folk, when they arise from their quiet fields to shake the towers and counsels of the Great. Who of all the Wise could have foreseen it? Or, if they are wise, why should they expect to know it, until the hour has struck? "
|
|
| Top |
|
|
|
|
Post subject: Posted: August 5th, 2007, 4:54 pm |
|
Joined: 10 June 2005
Posts: 1871
Location: Minas Tirith
Country:
Gender: Female
|
|
What if they visited it for awhile like maybe a week?
_________________ Faith isn't the ability to believe long and far into the misty future.
It's simply taking God at His Word and taking the next step Joni Erickson Tada
|
|
| Top |
|
|
|
|
Post subject: Posted: August 17th, 2007, 11:04 am |
|
Joined: 18 August 2006
Posts: 3735
Country:
Gender: Female
|
Visited a while where? Valinor? I think they would have trouble leaving after only a week. 
Well if Gimli "Obtained grace" from Galadriel...shouldn't the rest of the fellowship? They were "Elf-friends" too. Aragorn was adopted by Elrond....so his "father" was an elven ringbearer. Making his "grandmother" a ringbearer as well. And then Faramir and Eowyn ruled in Ithilien with Legolas...I'm sure they were friends.
_________________
Ringer for Christ
|
|
| Top |
|
|
|
|
Post subject: Posted: August 17th, 2007, 2:15 pm |
|
Joined: 11 July 2006
Posts: 143
|
Before everything else, let's clarfiy this issue. Everyone is talking of elves or mortals going to Valinor - but that wasn't so. Due to the Elves' exile during the First Age, the elves wanting to depart Middle Earth were only allowed to go to Tol-Eressea not to Valinor itself.
Quote: Well if Gimli "Obtained grace" from Galadriel...shouldn't the rest of the fellowship? They were "Elf-friends" too. Aragorn was adopted by Elrond....so his "father" was an elven ringbearer. Making his "grandmother" a ringbearer as well. And then Faramir and Eowyn ruled in Ithilien with Legolas...I'm sure they were friends.
But not everyone wanted to leave Middle-Earth. And I guess by the time Legolas and Gimli left the shores of Middle Earth, most mortals during the time of the war of the ring would have died **sigh** (thus, including Faramir and Eowyn).
As regards to Elrond being a ringbearer, only ringbearers of the Evil Ring were allowed to go to Tol-Eressea and Elrond bore only a good Ring of Power. Even so, I'm sure Aragorn wouldn't have wanted to leave his realm after so many years of being a ranger and finally becoming a king.
|
|
| Top |
|
|
|
|
Post subject: Posted: August 18th, 2007, 10:00 am |
|
Joined: 24 June 2005
Posts: 3759
Location: Berlin
Country: 
Gender: Female
|
Eärendil The Mariner wrote: Quote: Well if Gimli "Obtained grace" from Galadriel...shouldn't the rest of the fellowship? They were "Elf-friends" too. Aragorn was adopted by Elrond....so his "father" was an elven ringbearer. Making his "grandmother" a ringbearer as well. And then Faramir and Eowyn ruled in Ithilien with Legolas...I'm sure they were friends. But not everyone wanted to leave Middle-Earth. And I guess by the time Legolas and Gimli left the shores of Middle Earth, most mortals during the time of the war of the ring would have died **sigh** (thus, including Faramir and Eowyn). As regards to Elrond being a ringbearer, only ringbearers of the Evil Ring were allowed to go to Tol-Eressea and Elrond bore only a good Ring of Power. Even so, I'm sure Aragorn wouldn't have wanted to leave his realm after so many years of being a ranger and finally becoming a king. Yeah I agree with you. I don't think Eowyn and Faramir for example wanted to leave Middle-Earth. I think they were happy where they were. And it's the same with Aragorn and Arwen I think. But I also agree with what you say about Legolas and Gimli. By the time they left, I guess, most of their friends had already died.
_________________
[!+~^$#&:;]
|
|
| Top |
|
|
|
|
Post subject: Posted: August 18th, 2007, 10:33 am |
|
Joined: 11 July 2006
Posts: 143
|
Quote: Yeah I agree with you. I don't think Eowyn and Faramir for example wanted to leave Middle-Earth. I think they were happy where they were. And it's the same with Aragorn and Arwen I think. But I also agree with what you say about Legolas and Gimli. By the time they left, I guess, most of their friends had already died.
Thanks for that Firiel! I thought I hadn't made myself clear and couldn't explain myself. Thanks for clearing it out! 
|
|
| Top |
|
|
|
|
Post subject: Posted: August 23rd, 2007, 9:45 pm |
|
Joined: 02 December 2005
Posts: 344
Location: britain
|
|
frodo and co did go to valinor.we dont know if they stayed mortal when they arrived.i think not as its called the undying lands after all.
_________________
proud to be a pipe smoker like JJRT
|
|
| Top |
|
|
|
|
Post subject: Posted: August 24th, 2007, 1:37 pm |
|
Joined: 11 July 2006
Posts: 143
|
Quote: frodo and co did go to valinor.we dont know if they stayed mortal when they arrived.i think not as its called the undying lands after all.
No noldor, what I was talking about is that Frodo and the others didn't actually go to Valinor but to Tol Eressea, an island off the coast of Vailnor itself.
|
|
| Top |
|
|
Who is online |
Users browsing this forum: norawilson and 5 guests |
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum
|
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group
Boyz theme by Zarron Media 2003
|
|
