huh...? can you hate hobbits????? well I like them pretty much

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I second that! How can someone ever hate hobbits?

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i really like hobbits and i can't imagine that there are people who don't. i like the way they enjoy in life that they are peacefull and good... they don't complicate things very hard and live a peacefull life, always prepared for fun and for helping each other.

Well, as I stated on the last page, I dislike hobbits. Hate is a fairly strong word.

Certain hobbits, such as the travelling ones, are okay, but the average hobbit=very, very, very highly annoying.

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I don't understand why it is people can even dislike them. I understand that Hobbits such as the Sacville-Bagginses could be disliked - They just aren't a pleasant bunh - rather selfish. But Pippin? Sam? Frodo? Merry? How could you even dislike their trates? They make me laugh - and they're very courageous !

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Ah, but see there--that's the key. I said certain ones...specifically the travelling ones, are okay. Frodo, Sam, Merry, Pippin, Bilbo, etc., are okay. I said the average hobbits are very dislikable to me.

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Why though? You're making your point with no explanation.

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.....is it absolutely necessary to explain my point again? I've explained it several times already in this thread, and since it's only four pages, and the last explanation was on the last page, it isn't that much trouble to just take two minutes and read it.

Besides--you already replied to my explanation several times.

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I can't see how anyone could not like hobbits. I love them! They are so happy! Yes, they don't worry about any evil, but why should they? They know what's happening outside of the Shire but they don't really understand the danger. So how can you blame them?

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Ah--they don't necessarily know what's going on outside the Shire, and they don't really care to learn. They are focused with their own little world without any real regard for those who keep it as their world. Without the Dúnedain, or the Elves, the Shire wouldn't be the pleasant, peaceful place that it is. The hobbits, however, take it for granted, which really, really irritates me.

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Finally!
Thank you for letting us know that!
I see where you're coming from with that Aerandir - but do you think that's entirely fair?
Hobbits are humble folk - it may seem as though they take things for granted sometimes, but perhaps their lack of knowledge is the reason for this. They simply see that The Shire is theirs and therefore do not feel the need to delve into the business of other parts of Middle Earth. I think that they are entitled to feel this way don't you?

What do you see different from the traits of a travelling Hobbit and an ordinary Hobbit?

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That's almost exactly what I said on the last page, and you had the post right after mine in reply there, FG.

Ah, their lack of knowledge, though, is something that's easily changed. However, they don't change it. Not only is their mindset focused on them, they don't even bother themselves with what's going on outside of their little land.

The differences between the Travelling Hobbits and the average hobbits are that the Travelling ones have broader mindsets--they know about the sacrifices that are made for the sake of their little land, and the constant warring and lack of peace in the Big World, and they actually involve themselves in it. The average hobbits take the security of their little land for granted, discounting tales of war as merely tales, and generally only doing things for other hobbits, as opposed to those who need it most. It's really, really frustrating to me, though I don't expect anyone else to really understand that, especially after four pages of me saying just about the same thing and everyone else continuing to say that they can't understand how someone can dislike hobbits.

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Well they do hear stories about what's happening outside of the Shire, but they pay no attenion. I think the reason for this is because, even though they have heard those stories, the danger doesn't seem to be coming into the Shire, so why should they believe it? If people always talk about the danger that is coming yet it never comes who would believe them?

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Eek! Sorry about that Aerandir !
Yeah - I do see you have a good point there Aerandir. They do tend to take things for granted - I'm with you on that one. I just think that they have their reasons for that. They discard war stories as tales - perhaps because the prospect of such occurences worry them. I think that they believe that there is no need to meddle with the past - or with events that occur outside of The Shire even if it does happen to involve them. They are quite Naive folk - but then, so are we to an extent. It's as though they feel if it doesn't effect them accutley - then there happens to be no point in worrying at all.

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Like I said--I don't think any of you guys will really fully understand or agree with me on this--I think that the hobbits should be concerned with what's going on outside the Shire, but they aren't. You guys rationalize their apathy and ignorance, but I don't really see a point in doing that. I just don't really like hobbits.

That happens to be why I've always somewhat hoped that after the Dúnedain stopped guarding them, etc., the Shire was like overrun with Orcs or Wights or something, and the hobbits either were exterminated or got their much-needed-slap-from-reality.

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Aw No ! That's mean I think that Hobbits would be better off knowing that a world does exist outside of The Shire - I agree on that one. But a Middle-Earth with out Hobbits would be no Middle-Earth at all. Ha ! In fact that's literal. No Frodo, No Middle-Earth.
Yeah - Hobbits Rule.

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