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Going back to that quote from earlier - "What of my soul?" I'm still whole-heartedly convinced that Snape would not have said that if he had killed someone already. I have no doubt that Snape is capable of killing someone, especially back in his DE days, however, I don't think he did it.
Quite possibly he didn't care about his soul splitting, but why would he ask that question anyway? Is he speaking of the way the guilt of it might weight upon his soul? For some reason I don't think Snape would've felt guilt after killing Dumbledore. If I were him I'd be angry.
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Very good point there Larael.
Ok, this has probably been mentioned before, but what of Molly Weasley? Would her soul be split? I mean, you could tell she was angry when she was duelling Bellatrix, and she obviously wanted to kill her so... ?
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Post subject: Posted: October 6th, 2007, 10:10 pm |
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Are you referring to in Deathly Hallows? I don't remember the calling out the names of murderers?
I'm still not convinced that Snape -didn't- kill someone in his younger days, he had to have the entire knowledge and experience of this as a death eater, and having done it for so long, there's just no way Snape hasn't killed someone, however minor and small they are. And can you cite the quote, Larael. I don't remember reading it, so I might have to look back and check on that.
I'm a huge Snape is a White-Hat Fan, but I like Snape with all of his faults, including ones we may have to speculate on.
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Post subject: Posted: October 6th, 2007, 10:14 pm |
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Well I was referring to all the books really. At some point, a death of a old Order member or someone ele, was mentioned, and then that was usually followed by the name of the murderer and what happend to him or her.
Hmm... I dunno really. Just because he was a Death Eater doesn't mean he had to have killed somoene. I mean Auror's have to bring in Dark Wizards right? You'd think they would have had to kill people in order to do this, but I would have thought most of them avoided this... maybe for the soul splitting reason.. unless they didn't care... and I like Snape would have cared somehow.
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I'm skeptical really on how many people actually KNOW about the soul-splitting, because remember DD kept that book very restricted and Tom Riddle only had it verified by Slughorn and Slughorn claimed it to be the worst mistake he ever made.
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Post subject: Posted: October 6th, 2007, 11:45 pm |
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Hmm... well I'm actually still confused about the whole soul-splitting anyway. I was just going along with what everyone else was saying that if you kill someone your soul is split... or something like that.... I have yet to be satisfied on the whole "soul-splitting storyline" actually... even Wiki has failed me.
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Post subject: Posted: October 6th, 2007, 11:59 pm |
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Hmm, it's confusing actually. I think the difference between whether your soul is split or not depends on the reason for killing the person. If you're doing it out of mercy or something like that then I think it's okay. If you're killing just to kill or if you're killing with malicious intent then I think your soul is split. It's a very fine line if you think about it.
Gotta get back to you on that quote as I don't have my book at this moment. I don't think I have the exact quote right. I know that it occurs during one memory in "The Prince's Tale".
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Yes, but what about Molly Weasley? At the time she wasn't duelling Bellatrix to save anyone was she? She killed her because she was talking about the children, and she got angry and then.. that was it.
Surely her soul should be split?
Personally, this is another one of those story lines, which I could have done without. It would have been much simplier if when you kill someone, you have the choice of splitting your soul with that kill. Which is why no-one knows about it, as only a really, really dark and evil wizard would even want to try it.
*nods head*
If only I could go through the books, and remove all the confusing stuff, which just pads them out, JF would be a lot happier. 
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But you do have a choice in a way. Here is the exact quote -
Quote: "And my soul, Dumbledore? Mine?"
"You alone know whether it will harm your soul to help an old man avoid pain and humiliation."
[From The Prince's Tale, right after Snape saves Dumbledore from the ring curse.]
So no, I do not think Snape's soul was split. As for Molly Weasley, that is a different matter. I mean, it's debatable whether she even killed Bellatrix in the first place. I guess we're expected to assume she was killed. Hmm. If you think on it Molly killed her to protect her children. It isn't the same kind of "killing out of mercy" like Snape did, but it isn't killing just to kill either.
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I thought it was canon that Mrs. Weasley did in fact kill Bellatrix?
Well, I s'pose we don't know for sure that Snape has killed anyone or no, I'm thoroughly convinced by his persona in the books that he did, but maybe not---we'll never really know. Snape's quote about his soul is circumstantial just like Mrs. Weasley's situation or all Aurors.
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Post subject: Posted: October 7th, 2007, 11:53 am |
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Yes, I thought we knew she had killed Bellatrix as well. And I don't think a curse was aimed at one her children, so that's why Molly could have stepped in to save them and then killed Bellatrix. I thought she just killed her.
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Post subject: Posted: October 7th, 2007, 8:56 pm |
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I think you two are right about Molly. I do vaguely remember reading somewhere that she did kill Bellatrix. *shrugs* I think we've just about killed that topic.
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Post subject: Posted: October 8th, 2007, 2:26 pm |
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Ohh poor Bellatrix, I liked her in all her crazy evilness!!
Anyway, thanks for the answers.. you guys post too much!!!!
I'm just going to comment on the soul-splitting. Would it really apply to everyone who kills? This is war and people from both sides has to kill... I can't believe that it would have such a crucial impact on everyone who commits murder. It's not based on anything in the book... just an opinion. 
(And yes, I believe Snape was able to commit murder - and yes I also believe he might have done it. I agree with Kitoky way back that he and Lucius appear to be in a different leage. They kill for a greater cause.) _________________ >>Be the change you wish to see in the world<<
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Post subject: Posted: October 8th, 2007, 4:25 pm |
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*shivers* "They kill for a greater cause." That was brilliantly stated, Eä. 
I'm just gonna say that there are underlying factors when it comes to soul splitting that entirely depend on motivation, reasoning, etc. That seems to be the most logical part to me that I know for sure I can wrap my head around.
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Post subject: Posted: October 8th, 2007, 4:34 pm |
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Thanks Larael, I'm just rephrasing Kitoky. But I believe they were made of the same material as Dumbledore, the were able to see a greater picture, they had ambitions, visions and skill, which is among those talents that makes great wizards.
I can agree on the X-factors about soul-splitting. And I like it if there is still some mystery about it. We don't have to know everything about everything. This is rare knowledge even to wizards and witches. It's like when Tolkien leaves something untold, like he did with the blue istari, it is interesting for us to debate but in some way satisfying that we never get all the answers. _________________ >>Be the change you wish to see in the world<<
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It's interesting how we can compare some of the seemingly toughest and most evil of JKR's characters to some of the best in the series. Even Voldemort had some of the same ambitions, visions, and skills. It's scary even how Voldy and Dumbledore had the same idea of "wizards ruling over muggles" at one point in their lives. It's like what Dumbledore said - "It is our choices, Harry, far more than our abilities, that determine who we truly are." - made into being through the characters in HP.
That's the true magic of it all I believe. Makes me wonder if authors such as JKR and Tolkien did that on purpose just so the fans would still have things to ponder over and discuss.
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