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Lol. Sorry, I don't think I worded that last one very well. Basically, based on that partial quote can be infer that Snape has used Legilimency before book 5? I think it's safe to say that we can. I'm not sure why JKR waited so long to show what Legilimency looked like when used against someone [in this case Harry]. Maybe she just didn't feel like she had the need. *shrugs*

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I don't think Snape used Legilimency on Harry in this scene. Based on the quote you gave, Larael, (because I don't have the book) I didn't understand it as they make eye contact. Does Legilimency only work when there has been establiched a connection through eye-contact?
Too bad I can't check in the book on Harry's reaction right after Snape arrives. If Rowling doesn't mention anything about him having the symptoms of being-- ehh legilimencified... I doubt that Snape has used it on him.

At first when I read the questions I was pretty convinced that Snape wouldn't use Legilimency on students... but when I read it again it appeared that the only answer is; 'But of course he would!!'
Snape wouldn't even deem some of the students worthy of being called students so I don't see why he wouldn't use Legilimency or any other magic on them - even if it was against the school's regulations.

I can see my argumentation is lacking quotes and knowledge. I don't know how Legilimency works other than what I remember from OotP and HBP, and I can't quote the book to back up my answer to your first question.


I love that quote in your sig, Larael. But when I read it again I stumbled upon the literal meaning of 'his heart pounded against his rib'. Isn't the heart supposed to be higher up, since the rib cage ends below the chest...?

Inwe... I love and adore your Snape banner. I love the Love/Loating and the quote.. a patronus never lie...

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I think you may be right, Eä. Snape would certainly use Legilimency against other students just because that seems to be his nature, however I don't think he would ever harm them. At this point in the series I think JKR may have still been working out the logistics behind Legilimency [I definitely believe she had it in her head by then.] and how exactly to portray that in the books.

This brings up another point that is slightly unrelated to the questions - Snape's dislike for Harry is obvious. We know the main reason for it, but I was wondering whether Snape may have been jealous of Harry for having the friends and popularity that he never had.

I still don't get the detailed logistics of Legilimency.. I just recently learned how to spell it, because of we are discussing the topic here But if we are only to analyse on the text we are given in the books.. then I still don't think Snape was using Legilimency on Harry.

I think jealousy has been a part of Snape's dislike for Harry. Like it has already been mentioned numerous times, Snape had all the reasons to hate (and envy) Harry and this is just one.

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Really, that's all we can analyse. There are no real logistics to Legilimency; at least there's nothing straightforward about it in the books. All we know is that Legilimency is used to see into another person's mind, whilst Occlumency is used to block the mind from penetration.

*le nod* Just wanted to hear it from another person in case I was totally off. Sometimes I begin spouting information that can't logically fit.

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I'll try and have something up by Tuesday night or Wednesday morning. Til then I hope this tides you over -

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Philosopher's Stone - Ch. 11 (Quidditch) - Ch. 13 (Nicolas Flamel)

[Update on what has happened so far: Gryffindor has beat Slytherin at Harry's first Quidditch match. Snape referees the next match in which Gryffindor also wins. After the match Harry sees Snape going into the Forbidden Forest.]



Discussion Topics/Questions:
- At this moment in the story can we assume that Snape knows about Voldemort being a part of Quirrell? Remember that right now Snape is known to be on the good side. If Snape does know, why is he not being more gaurded with his threats? Why is he seemingly hindering Voldemort's plans?
- What does Snape mean by "you don't want me as your enemy"?

Extra: Snape is often described in terms of shadow and darkness creating a dark and mysterious aura around him. What can we infer about Snape's personality based on descriptions of himself and what he wears? (black, conservative, greasy, etc.) Keep in mind Snape's worst memory from OotP.

We are supposed to believe that Quirrell and Snape both are on 'the baddie side' and it is hinted they might even support Voldemort, aye?
But when we look at this in retrospective I think it is Snape threatening Quirrell because he found out that Quirrell wants to hurt Harry.

I don't think Snape knows that Voldemort lives within Quirrell. Even though he is on 'the good side' against Voldemort, he wouldn't dare putting up such a threat right to Voldemort's face. No one in their right mind would dare that and Snape of all people would definitely be more subtle.
But honestly, I never figured out this double-agency work Snape was performing. At this point Snape would protect Harry because of the promise he gave Dumbledore and Quirrell does seem to pose a threat to Harry so there... additionally, it could seem like Snape doesn't mind intimidating Quirrell. It's evident how Snape doesn't like him. And Quirrell - with his lack of talent and skill - would definitely not want Snape as his enemy. Very few wizards would want a wizard like Snape as their enemy.

Rowling does still play on the classic good/bad ideas. Snape is a teacher at Hogwarts and is supposed to be on the 'good side' since he was approved by Dumbledore but he is clearly not the whitest lamb among the staff, and I believe Rowling wants to keep Snape a mysterious character.

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Hmm... I think both as readers and as people in the story we can't yet assume that Quirrell is bad [although we certainly know him to have bee now]. However, Snape certainly is a bit of a jerk and is not the "whitest lamb" as you put it, so I think we can be a bit suspicious of him and his motives. Especially since at the moment it looks like he's conspiring with Voldemort.

Wow. I'm a bit confused myself now. Okay, so his on the "good" side based on the fact that he's protecting Harry, aye? Which also includes protecting Harry from Quirrell and inadvertantly Voldemort. Yet, he must have some idea that Quirrell is consorting with Voldemort in order to word things just right to make it seem as though he is still undecided as to where he stands. This makes things open to interpretation on Voldy's side so that he isn't to doubtful of Snape's loyalty when he [Voldemort] comes back in GoF.

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Hullooo...

Anyone home? Seems as though we've been taking a lovely break. Anyway, I had some news to share about our beloved Snape.

Have any of you heard about the HP symposium ocurring in Dallas, Texas this coming July? It's called Portus and will feature discussions about the Department of Mysteries and other such mystifying things in the magical world. As some of you may know, I have some relatives living in Texas right now, and we will be visiting them during the time of the symposium. So, obviously, I'm planning to go.

What has this to do with Snape you ask? Well, apparently a podcast called Snapecast is hosting a special part of Portus which will focus on our favourite potions master. There will be discussions/roundtables about him and a vigil held one of the nights. How exciting does that sound? I'm hoping I'll be able to attend.

*dusts cobwebs from the ceiling*

Hullooo...

Anyone home? Seems as though we've been taking a lovely break. Anyway, I had some news to share about our beloved Snape.

Have any of you heard about the HP symposium ocurring in Dallas, Texas this coming July? It's called Portus and will feature discussions about the Department of Mysteries and other such mystifying things in the magical world. As some of you may know, I have some relatives living in Texas right now, and we will be visiting them during the time of the symposium. So, obviously, I'm planning to go.

What has this to do with Snape you ask? Well, apparently a podcast called Snapecast is hosting a special part of Portus which will focus on our favourite potions master. There will be discussions/roundtables about him and a vigil held one of the nights. How exciting does that sound? I'm hoping I'll be able to attend.

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Home we are..at least I'm feeling at home now, in my most beloved Snape club!

Apologies for my long absence, but it is all my A-U time that has suffered, not just the clubs - if that may comfort you. I am trying to excuse myself in the Alan Rickman club too.

Larael dear, have you been to the [s]Snape[/s] HP conference? You have to tell us about it if you make it there! Sounds so exciting! And you've gotta post pictures!

The most Snape-related I can share with you is my last viewing of The Chamber of Secrets.
- What curse is Snape using to eliminate the snake that Draco casts at Harry in the duelling scene?
- Why does Lockhart not use anycurse when he duels Snape?
- Does Snape know who opened the Chamber of Secrets in the beginning but somehow tries to protect Ginny - or solve.. something?

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