This is just something that popped into my head while I was browsing the forum so I figured i would write it down here.


Why?
Why is life so hard?
Why are souls left charred?
Why is life a war?
And what are we fighting for?

If life is just an accident,
Then what defines right and wrong?
But if it's designed by divinity,
Then we sing a different song.

So why do some insist,
That man is god alone?
When man has always with this,
Destroyed flesh and bone.

They justify their killing,
Because their a "superior race."
They warp young minds unwilling,
And of God erase all trace.

But in the end we'll see,
His judgments they are true.
Them, you, and me,
We'll be judged on what we do.


If anyone wants a deeper explination behind this poem you may want to PM me since my explination may violate some forum rules.

It gets into religeion, even a little polotics. And although the constitution garentees "Freedom of speach" that aspect is not only lost in society for christians but it is lacking here on the forum as well.

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Jax,mate, I do believe you know why there are rules that state we can't talk about Religion or politics on forum time. I mean, if everyone in the forum had the same views then it might work (but would be incredibly boring).

Its not a case of this forum lacking freedom of speech, but it is there for practical reasons i.e. so this brilliant forum doesnt degrade into a shouting match that would make a five year old proud.....

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Don't get me wrong, I understand the reasoning.

However, there are many things said on this forum that offend me and that i don't agree with.

Would anyone get in trouble for speaking of evolution? I highly doupt it.

If someone doesn't like what i say, (no offense) but they don't have to read it, or reply. We are all intitled to our points of view and if we dissagree we should have enough self control to agree to disagree and not turn it into a debate or argument.

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Evolution is a scientific theory.It is not a cast iron, bulletproof, grenadeproof,exterminatus proof fact.You need not believe their opinion, or as you have said, even heed it.
Besides, if the Mods were to ban speaking of Evolution, wouldnt that not allow others who object to other scientific bits and bobs being mentioned a precedent to protest over their specific bugbear?
Also, another thing. If we were to limit speak of things such as evolution etc, would not that infringe on others' Freedom of Speech on this forum?

I have no problem if someone disagrees with me, and am inclined to listen to their reasoning in respectful and honest conversation. But, there are quite a few out there who would do precisely what you stated; turn such a conversation into a series of slanderous comments.

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(Hmm... I hope I don't get involved with this... if it turns out - uh - bad...)

Okay, I must agree with Mephiston about posting something like this.

But I also agree with Jax, I have seen other people openly express their oppinoins on here (Im not going to give names, that would be pointing fingers) and I don't understand why we can openly express ourselfs in our siggys but not on the boards. It's alittle odd. We should have it all or none, not in the middle.

All I can say is this:
Nice poem.
&
Don't do it again, for the sake of that Beautiful poem.

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Egsactily.... You make my case actually.

If banning evolution is a infringement on "freedom of speach" then so is banning christianity.

My point is if one is banned all should be banned. if one is allowed all should be allowed. why is only christianity banned?


And by the way... by the dictionary deffinition evolution is a religeon, not science. Especially since there is no REAL scinetific proof for evolution and all the scientific proof points towards a young earth....

I could go on about that for hours so I won't get started.

(And thanks Taxi glad you liked the poem )

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First of all, your dictionary must be an odd dictionary, as Wikipedia states it to be and this view that Evolution is science not religion is held quite widely. Unless Biology happens to be religion these days.



Thats the No Religion rule. Now, lets read it carefully. Now, where does it say Christianity?
Nowhere. It says Religion, which not only encompasses Christianity, but Paganism, Islam, Buddhism,Hinduism, and all other world religions as currently exist. From where IM looking, a pretty even handed rule as it makes no exceptions.
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No offence guys, but wether or not you knew it, you are starting a fight right now. Go any farther and it could get ugly. So, pleeeease stop, while you can.

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My aim was to answer Jax's "point" about A-U being essentially biased against Christians.It is not my intention to start any form of heated argument, but I won't back down from my standpoint here.

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I'm not wanting to start a fight, I just have a few questions.

Look, I agreed to the rules, and so that I don't like them really is insignificent.

However, an explination often helps me understand things I don't agree with.

And how evolution can be defined as a religeon is the dictionary definition from an old websters dictionary that defines religeon as "Anything that alters ones behaviour or way of life."

Granted it's a broad term, but I'm not going to get started on the evolution/religeon thing... that too would violate the rules.

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Okaaay. If you guys want to make this more then a poem, go ahead. But PLEASE do it in PMs!

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The one issue I had with this poem (because, being honest I tend to leave religiously based poetry well alone, too tricky a minefield generally to bother with) is this........

Peronally, I find this to be unfair and unnecessary complaining (on forum time to boot) on the system of rules and guidelines that have allowed this forum to exist in relative peace for a few years. If we stop it all, rules begin to strangle free conversation, but if we allow everyone to state their opinions completely then it will just be anarchy, an environment in which civilised and topical conversation will vanish.

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Evolution is in no way a religion. It is a scientific theory. What you may be thinking of is atheism, which is considered a religion. Evolution has nothing to do with the cause or purpose of the universe. Let me explain evolution a little further:

Evolution is the gradual change of species, not necessarily monkeys = people. Humans are getting taller, species branch out to form new species, etc. For example, let's say there is a diverse population of giraffes in a habitat. Tall giraffes are able to reach the food in the trees easily, while the short giraffes have a hard time doing so. Some of the short giraffes start to die from starvation, so they don't live to reproduce. However, the tall giraffes thrive and reproduce. Thus, over a long period of time, the giraffes will get taller.

I'm sorry that your feelings have been hurt. But I'm sure christians aren't the only people who have been offended. We've all been offended at one point or another. Also, it's true that not everyone has to reply or read what you have to say if they don't agree. But just like you will stand up for your beliefs, they will stand up for theirs. If someone posts "There is nothing wrong with raising puppies in puppy mills", I will most definitely reply. Why? Because I am strongly against puppy mills and I want to change people's minds to further the cause. Religion is something that people from all over the world feel strongly about, no matter which side they are on. That's why threads about religion/politics thrive.

And just to clarify, I participated in a debate once where a person got in trouble for talking about Islam. So it's not just christianity, it just probably seems like it from your side, which is understandable. I'm sure people from other religions feel the same way. This is why religious topics are banned here. It's done to try and prevent hurt feelings.

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Well, first of all, Jax, nice poetry skills. Love how everything flows.

However, I have a bone to pick with thee. First of all, I find it rather offensive that you have just called everyone who accepts evolution as a theory racist bigots. What you're talking about is Social Darwinism, something completely different from Darwinian evolution. Oh and before we move on, evolution's most essential definition is "change over time in the genetic composition of a population". That's coming straight from a college level biology textbook. I find that you've made rather poor assumptions about evolution. And people have gotten into trouble for talking about evolution. The Dover case? The Scopes Trial? There is absolutely no one who worships evolution simply because it is a theory. Much like how the germ theory of disease is a theory. And there is plenty of proof that evolution does happen.

Mate, I'm sorry to have to do this, but I don't think you've been too fair about evolution and people who accept evolution. While evolutionists admire and appreciate Darwin and his work, no one worships him. Hardly any evolutionists thinks we're the superior race or even species. (In fact, I think we're the most inferior species) But anyways, I'm sorry but by saying what you said, you have upset me.

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Alright... Like I said before I wasn't wanting to start anything I just thought some answeres would help me better understand the rules.


I apologize for anythign I said that someone may have found offensive, that was not my intentions.

The original post was simply to tell people that IF they wanted an explination they would need to PM me instead of asking me here since my answer would violate the rules.
I didn't want to make anything of it.

In my posts later I simply wanted an explination, not an argument. But As Taxi said I think this conversation is going a little far.

So once agian I apologize, lets not get in an argument here please.

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I agree. And if anyone thinks they are too good for Jax sorrys, then that is your problem.

I am most sure Jax didn't single mindedly try to upset you, Caunion, any of you, but what is done is done. PLEASE (how many times have I said that now?), PLEASE don't carry this any further!

(I had a thought - what if we put, in the title of our topics, what it is based on- example: "A turn of pasion - CHRISTIAN". wouldn't that save alot of - uh - posts?)

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