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Post subject:  Posted: December 14th, 2007, 1:29 am |
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Post subject: Posted: December 14th, 2007, 8:17 am |
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Well... I knew, or at least told myself all the time that Lizzie kissed Jack and chained him to the mast to save herself, Will and the others, because tho she knew he was a good man in some way, he surely would not die for them, would he? He wouldn't have stayed behind to be eaten by dear Kraken so that they could get away. So for her this was the only way to distract him and make him stay.
Lol Well, and I'm not a THAT big Will or Jack fan, so I don't really cared that she was with Will, I rather was happy with her. lol I'm weird there, in each movie I find one character I totally can identify with, in this case it's Lizzie, and then I'm just happy if the character is, or I'm horribly sad if the character is... which made my heart break a thousand times when Will got stabbed, not really cause it was Will, of course I pitied him, but the more cause I just imagined how horrible that must have been for Lizzie... this scene makes me cry for the whole rest of the movie...
Well, and this speach of her was brilliant, I loved it, I really was proud of her at that time lol. Giving all these men their courage back... yay!
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Post subject: Posted: December 14th, 2007, 4:25 pm |
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Yeah I knew that she was only doing it to save everyone else but I still despised her for it. I was like, "You jerk!" LOL.
@Cal: Well they're gorgeous! But William III definitely looks likes Elizabeth.
I had a period of a few years where I didn't watch POTC because I wasn't a huge fan then. But after my crush on Will cooled a bit, I realized how cool she was XD.
"What Shall We Die For" was deffinitely her shining moment! Jack had his shining moment in COTBP, Will had his when he was instructing the crew of the Pearl against the Kraken, but hers was probably the best. It was a big thing for her character too. That speech showed how much her character has develloped since COTBP. It was SOOOO awesome! I was like, "You rock!" I wasn't even on the Pearl and I felt like their chances were better.
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Post subject: Posted: December 16th, 2007, 1:17 am |
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Erana, aye, that's exactly what I've come to realize about Lizzie's "betrayal"...  like all the rest, she was caught up in the mess and that was the only thing she knew of that could save them.
Well, I do enjoy Will quite a bit... probably because
1. I can relate to him is some sort of way
2. because he was the first PotC character I ever fell in love with... so it sorta sticks. 
3. just because he's a totally awesome character! 
So of course I really cared about Will's well-being in about the same way you cared about Lizzie's. I wanted to see him with Elizabeth because I knew how much he loved her and she loved him and how absolutely perfect they were for each other! (sorry, a mushy true love lover here! ) hmmm, in each movie I have so many charas I love! And Pirates is no exception... it's easier to name the ones I DON'T love than the ones I love.  but how could you not care for Will in that scene? the poor dude!  and in that scene I find myself even loving Jack quite a bit... I mean the look on his face when he sees Will get stabbed! Man, that guy loved Will like a brother!  and then he drug Lizzie away and she was crying and everything! Gosh, it's so sad! (although to me Norrie and Lizzie's scene is almost just as horrible (because Norrie dosn't get to come back  )! He gets to kiss her and it's all like "Way to go!!!" and then he makes her leave and he dies for her! Man! another tear jerker! )
Millie, that's about how I felt about the speech too... although I beg to differ about Jack's shining moment. I personally believe his came in the final battle in AWE when he's fighting Jones and it comes to its climax when he give the heart to Will and all that. Jack really does grow a lot... me actually like him after AWE. and Barbossa's shining moment HAS to be the final battle too. hmmm, Will's though? I would say it's the Kraken scene or else it's somewhere in AWE...
When Will and Jack have that agreement going of Jack getting on the Dutchman to stab the heart and all is pretty cool. and I LOVE the way they all communicate (Jack, Will and Lizzie) in the parley scene. lol Barbossa was all like "huh? what are they doing?!" 
but yeah, back to Lizzie, that scene was really awesome! "and they will know what we can do!" (but I did notice she cheated a little by bringing in some of Barby's speech from the Brethren Court scene "By the sweat of our brow and the strength of our backs" )
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Post subject: Posted: December 16th, 2007, 5:43 am |
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Yep, the same here, I wished for both Will and Elizabeth the best, so that they would finally be allowed and get the chance to be happy together. They didn't have much of such times in between their adventures, did they?
Well, and of course i cared for Will as well in this scene, poor him, what must he have thought in this moment, but somehow my main attention was on Lizzie.
And yes... these scenes... Norrington's death... Will's 'death'... they depress me! Especially cause it seems to me Davy Jones (I mostly call him DJ actually ) just wants to see them in pain, both of them, Will cause of true, physical pain, and Lizzie cause of the pain to see Will die. This scene just... is the total downpoint for me, after that I need at least 1 or 2 hours to have a chance to forget about that again and be cheerful...
Well, I never really was a Norrington fan, I didn't dislike him, but neither was he my true hero. But in this last scene it at last gets clear he is a noble man, dying for the woman he loves but never really had a chance to be with her.
And yes, I think Jack's final, really most shining moment was when he gave Will the heart, to ensure he would live on, and then saves Lizzie and the monkey (lol) from the Dutchman. But his shining moment also can be seen in DMC I think when he returns to the Black Pearl although he wanted to flee from it.
Darn, I haven't watched AWE for ages, I don't have the DVD yet because... well... living in Austria means having all DVDs in german, somehting I dislike, I want a typical normal original DVD where it doesn't say 'Am Ende der Welt' but 'At World's End'! anyways... I hardly can remember what exactly LIzzie says in this speach, I just remember the power of this speach, not only for the pirates but that the audience could feel this as well. It truly shows how much she has learned and how much she has developed since CotBP. _________________ <center>
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Post subject: Posted: December 16th, 2007, 5:12 pm |
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Calloniel (PD) wrote: Millie, that's about how I felt about the speech too... although I beg to differ about Jack's shining moment. I personally believe his came in the final battle in AWE when he's fighting Jones and it comes to its climax when he give the heart to Will and all that. Jack really does grow a lot... me actually like him after AWE. and Barbossa's shining moment HAS to be the final battle too. hmmm, Will's though? I would say it's the Kraken scene or else it's somewhere in AWE... When Will and Jack have that agreement going of Jack getting on the Dutchman to stab the heart and all is pretty cool. and I LOVE the way they all communicate (Jack, Will and Lizzie) in the parley scene. lol Barbossa was all like "huh? what are they doing?!" but yeah, back to Lizzie, that scene was really awesome! "and they will know what we can do!" (but I did notice she cheated a little by bringing in some of Barby's speech from the Brethren Court scene "By the sweat of our brow and the strength of our backs" )[/color] Actually, now that you mention it, I liked the scene where Jack proved that he was a good man as well. By AWE, I liked him even more. ^_^
As for Will's, I agree, the Kraken scene was definitely his. He changed so much from the little goody-two-shoes to full-fledged pirate. XD I must say, the change isn't bad.
Yeah that was funny, lol. I love the way they banter. And then there's Barbossa standing there with a "What did I just miss?" look on his face, lol. _________________ <center>
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Post subject: Posted: December 16th, 2007, 11:39 pm |
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Erana, hmm, no, not really. Between all the adventures Will and Lizzie kinda got shuffled around and over here and there.  but at least they did end up together... for some time I thought maybe Sparrowbeth might actually happen!!!! 
I've never really thought about what might've been going through his mind at that time... hmmm. and actually I do/did feel terrible for Elizabeth! I mean it is so sad to watch her scream at him and he just looks at her... man!
Well, I personally think that at the end Davy basically lost it...  the poor guy probably wasn't half bad until he got caught up with Calypso.... and then at the end he probably felt so lost and all that and he was so corrupted that he did want to cause Will and Liz pain and ruin their love like his was. However, I do have to pity him a little... just a little though.
That's too bad. Me, I'm a huge Norrie fan! Probably my "true hero" out of my top four favorites since I doubt Beckett or Barbossa could be considered too much of heroes. aye, I'm in total agreement with you...
That's true... that's a good shining Jack moment as well... but for always and forever my very fave Jack moment will be when he drags Lizzie away and saves her and gives Will the heart. and I love it when he tells Barbossa and Mr. Gibbs to "shut it". lol
sorry to hear that! So do you guys also get "normal" dvds eventually? Or do you have to special order them or something?  well, let's see if I can give a good quote of her speech for you... I've seen it enough so I should be able to...
"you will listen to me. Listen! the Brethren Court will still be looking to us, to the Black Pearl to lead. And what will they see? A bunch of cowering bilge rats aboard a derelict ship? No, they will see free men, and freedom!! And what will the enemy see? They will see the flash of our canons and they will hear the ring of our swords, and they will know what we can do! By the sweat of our brow and the strength of our backs, and the courage of our hearts! Gentlemen... hoist the colors."
and I'm pretty sure that's it... 
Millie, aye, aye! Jack really did sorta change for the better after he died... so maybe Lizzie wasn't all wrong.
Well, that would depend on who you asked. Beckett might disagree on how Will's change was bad. but personally I do enjoy watching his character develop into what it did. Man, it is so hard to watch the Will from CotBP (and the Lizzie too) and try to match him up with Captain of the Flying Dutchman Will!  it's sad, but it's almost not even the same person!
Aye, and you can tell it makes Barby mad!  but it was like Jack smiled a "go" signal at Will and then Will gives Liz a little smile and she knows what to do and it's just so funny! Although it doesn't seem like Beckett should've missed all the "communication"... he must've been too confident and cocky with where he was....
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Post subject: Posted: December 19th, 2007, 7:28 am |
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Yep, they did end up together in the end, and I'm happy for them. They had a long way to come, and I even thought Lizzie might really end up with Jack, tho the chance for it was veeeeeeeeeeeeery small, but they made it. I've read that Will was allowed to stay with Elizabeth after 10 years were over because she had stayed true, that relieved me!
The end that she would not be able to see him in between these 10 years, and this for the rest of their lifetime, that depressed me and made me even more sad. So the solution that he was allowed to return would seem to me as a very acceptable solution.
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Post subject: Posted: December 20th, 2007, 12:12 am |
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Calloniel (PD) wrote: "you will listen to me. Listen! the Brethren Court will still be looking to us, to the Black Pearl to lead. And what will they see? A bunch of cowering bilge rats aboard a derelict ship? No, they will see free men, and freedom!! And what will the enemy see? They will see the flash of our canons and they will hear the ring of our swords, and they will know what we can do! By the sweat of our brow and the strength of our backs, and the courage of our hearts! Gentlemen... hoist the colors."
and I'm pretty sure that's it...
Millie, aye, aye! Jack really did sorta change for the better after he died... so maybe Lizzie wasn't all wrong.
Well, that would depend on who you asked. Beckett might disagree on how Will's change was bad. but personally I do enjoy watching his character develop into what it did. Man, it is so hard to watch the Will from CotBP (and the Lizzie too) and try to match him up with Captain of the Flying Dutchman Will! it's sad, but it's almost not even the same person!
That was a quote to the T, Cal. XD I have it pretty much memorized by now as well and that's how I remember it, anyway. If I've got that wrong, someone please let me know...
I would agree. But Beckett was a bad character in the first place, so I wouldn't put too much stock in his evaluation of Will. Lawfully, Will's change was for the worst. But I think he was a better person. As is Jack.
And yeah, it is strange! I was watching CotBP the other day and I was like, "Wow...in about a year, you'll be married to Lizzy and captain of the Dutchman." It's so strange but kind of interesting. A touch of destiny... _________________ <center>
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Post subject: Posted: December 20th, 2007, 10:49 pm |
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Erana, aye, aye to that! And that's what makes them a better, stronger couple, IMO. It wasn't all just fluffy, happy, fairytale stuff... they had to work, strive and try to win each other and stay together. That's what makes a relationship I can at least connect with just because it seems more true. 
Aye, I've read/heard that ever since I first saw it in theaters. I was disgusted with the chance that he might only see her ONCE every ten years so I did my research and found that's not what the WRITERS at least said about their end. So I was totally happy to accept the writers' word for it. I mean, you are so right! How depressing would it be if Liz could only see him once every ten years? I liked that they went through difficulty... but not THAT much!
Millie, thanks!  Although with watching that scene again, it does seem like I might've left out several minor things... but overall we're close.
Ahh, be careful what you say. Becky just happens to be more than a "bad guy" to me. Well, yeah, I suppose "lawfully" it was... but as Governor Swann said in CotBP sometimes in the act of pursuing the right course piracy, itself, can sometimes be the right course.
that's exactly it! It is so weird how so much can change in a year... not only in the fictional world either.  But it is interesting to look back at CotBP and everything now and compare it. Although Norrie's end in Curse always gets me because I start thinking "in about a year you'll die for that woman you're giving to Will."
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Post subject: Posted: June 18th, 2008, 4:36 pm |
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Hey, everyone who still visits this club from time to time... I'm back after a horribly long time and now I wish for this club to be revived.
I'm sorry for not having the time to answer the posts above right now, tomorrow I probably will.
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Post subject: Posted: June 19th, 2008, 3:53 am |
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Well, perfect! A new member! Yay!
I'll add you immediately!
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Post subject: Posted: June 19th, 2008, 9:58 am |
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Post subject: Posted: June 19th, 2008, 10:08 am |
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Yep
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Post subject: Posted: June 19th, 2008, 1:45 pm |
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There are a ton of reasons why I like her. I really enjoy her character development throughout the trilogy. I like how in COTBP she is inexperienced and the damsel in distress. In DMC she saves Will and the crew of the BP, by killing Jack. Even though she did not want to kill Jack the choice to do so to save Will made her seem incredibly human to me. And finally in AWE she became the leader figure for the Pirates and represented freedom, and true female empowerment by her purity and commitment to Will even though she had to wait ten years to see him again.
I like her because she is just an all around awesome character that seems very human, and represents the moral aspect of POTC.
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