Then there's just the civilizations that don't see people, they see gold plated opportunities to land grab.

*points at Germanic tribes*

hehe, true... franks etc, they then came to be merogivians and all the others before the true middle ages

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The abolishing of the Western Empire pretty much cemented my distaste for the histories of the Germanics. I still feel like strangling Odoacer....

Oh, can I join? And.. have I asked that before, or has my week memory failed me once more? 'Tis been long since I last was on AU...

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Certainly, I have never deleted anyone nor do I recall you ever asking to join... well anyway welcome

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On these blood stained pages of misery
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Let him curse my name, but remember the truth!

Hey! What are we talking about? Anything? *sigh* I really need to check in more often! Dratted school gets in the way!

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Ooo are we talking about the Barbarian tribes that "sacked" the Roman empire?

There's this really awesome documentary that just came out this year, might not be out in the States yet because it was made for British tv, and it's called the Barbarians. And it talks about how the "barbarians" really weren't that barbaric at all and a lot of what we learn in school is Roman propoganda. It's so good, I wish I could get a hold of a copy .

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^ Well, that's my problem, too. So much to do for school!

Anyway, I need to check this club more often. In school we only have one history lesson per week, and in this lesson we don't even learn about history anymore, but about the government...

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well troughout ages many so called `civilized` nations have thought that their foes have been barbarians all tough they simply had their own culture and way of life.

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Let him curse my name, but remember the truth!

*Bumpageh!*

I hope we can keep this club going... all tough funny enough we tend to jump from one thin to another, but along the way learn somethings...

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Let him curse my name, but remember the truth!

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Well from what little I've gathered on the Huns and Vandels, they were quite interesting peoples. The Vandels were not actually a very violent group of people. When they took Carthage from the Romans, they walked in during a festival of sorts and took over the city with basically no bloodshed and they continued to send grain to Rome after they took it over. (Carthage was an important agricultural city to the city of Rome, they used to grain to feed poor people in the citiy.) Also when they "sacked" the city of Rome they did so with very little bloodshed or destruction, they just looted and took things, such as gold, statues, etc, back to Carthage with them.

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Yes, I find that interesting. In the first civilization of Ancient Greece they believed that, but no one was worse than China. They called themselves the Middle Kingdom and believed that they were the center of the universe, literally. They also thought that any "non-barbaric" lands were a part of their empire. And as you said, they thought that anyone from any other civilizations were barbarians. Sorry, sort of babbling- sometimes I simply cannot stop with history. *shuts up*

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Well after the european powers came along who were more advanced than China, after that china had not been a great power really until modern days.

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Let him curse my name, but remember the truth!

China still isn't a great power, per se, at least not militarily. America's military budget still dwarfs China's.

I am so excited! I am going to a University Day at a College, where i get to spend the night and everything AND i get to sit in a class of my chosen major, mines History- I am soo excited.

i think i am going to write a series based on historical events.

New thing i thought we should try if anyone is up for it:

Daily Dilemma- based on own opinions
(since my favorite thing is US history how about this for a ?)

Who fired the 'shot heard 'round the World?'
(American Revolution- The British vs. US at the Battles of Lexington and Concord)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_ ... nd_Concord
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_shot_h ... _the_world

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