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 Post subject: Re: Theoden! :(
PostPosted: June 27th, 2007, 8:44 am 
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Does anyone agree with me? I didn't like Théoden in the movie! Bernard Hill was a good person to play him but his character was messed up!

First, he kicks Grima down the hard stone steps, and then is about to kill him with his sword. Of course, Aragorn “heroically” stops him, and forces him away. When he is pleading with Théoden not to spill any more blood on his account, Théoden turns and has this wild, vengeful look in his eyes...almost...madness. Like, maybe, DENETHOR???? What is up with that?

In the books, Théoden did not move a finger towards Grima, but calmly and wisely asked Gandalf's advice and followed it. He asked Grima, very politely, if he would prove himself true and ride to war to Isengard with him, and Grima then turned evil, and rode away. It was EOMER who tried to kill Grima; thankfully that was accurate.

Then Théoden argues with Aragorn about Gondor and what to do with the townspeople; maybe I am wrong but I don't remember there being a problem deciding whether or not to go to Helm’s deep in the books. And you don't see him fighting at helms deep until way later. Instead he stands safely out of the way of the fighting, giving commands and saying dramatic things.

In the scene where Haldir arrives...What was his problem? He frowned more in that scene than Denethor does in total! Haldir bows and is so polite, and Théoden doesn't say a word, just stands there glaring; not even a welcome or a thank you! And if you watch his face when Aragorn and Legolas hug Haldir: no trace of a smile. The real Théoden would not have been so grumpy! I just know he would have smiled, because he was a good-natured king.

In ROTK: I hated the whole mess with Théoden telling Eowyn he is happy for her. Even if Eowyn's attraction to Aragorn had been noticed, which is doubtful during such a time, they would NEVER have discussed it like that!!!

And then when she gets her heart broken (I hated that whole deal, too by the way, because A and E didn't ever discuss even an insinuation of her loving him), he is all grinning, and telling her she should smile, and he says, "No more despair." That is so stupid and so unlike the true Théoden. Now that things have gotten REALLY bad, NOW he smiles, and tries to tell Eowyn that everything is going great.

These are only a few examples I can think of right now, but there is also this one: One of Theoden's lines is, "Tell me: why should we go to the aid of those who did not come to ours?" What an idiot! They're not going to Gondor's aid, they're going to their own aid and saving the world! Yet all he can do is be sulky because Gondor didn't come all the way to Helm's Deep, so he's going to LET SAURON WIN???!!!

To be honest, that sounds like something the very mad Denethor would say. Those two were not at all alike in the books. Why did PJ do this? Does anyone else dislike the movie Théoden?

great point of wiew. i never thought about it that way, and i generally like theoden but i think you are wright. :closedeyes: the fact that he didn't even thanked or greeted haldir was very wrong, and that line was really horrible. :explode:


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I have to admit, I didn't like Theoden in this movie either. I understand that he had come out from under Saruman's power and was trying to make up for lost time leading his people, but his behaviour seemed to be out of order in my opinion. *shrugs* My opinion only! :)

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Well, it is not only your opinion, if you read the book Theoden obviously handled things better, said more realistic things, and was generally a nicer person! :)

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one thing I'm glad the movie changed was Theoden's death. I was really disappointed when I read about his death in the book because I'd already seen the movie, and him not knowing that Eowyn was there really didn't cut it. The first time I saw the movie I was so delighted that EOWYN had killed the Witch-King [so dramatic!], because it seemed impossible to kill him. I couldn't believe that Theoden didn't realize it was his OWN NEICE that saved him.

...that took a really long time to say something that wasn't really that hard to explain

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It certainly was sad when he thought he'd never see Eowyn again and she was right there! :(

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 Post subject: Worth it....
PostPosted: September 13th, 2007, 1:45 pm 
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I feel bad about some of the things in the movie too but it is what it is. I think we are much richer for it even with all its flaws. It was a daunting task to undertake and I'm not sure perfection was attainable....I mean, I'm sure it wasn't.

There are so many moving moments in the movie and in some places, like Boromir's death, it is really fleshed out to include what is there in the book but unspoken. Come to think of it, just seeing Boromir's death (and Theoden's) makes the movie worth it.

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That's what I think, Sinbearer, but I can't help but get angry when they had that opportunity to do something right and they purposely changed it in order to modernize it.

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I agree with you. Theoden is a verry good king in the books.
yesterday I watched the films, and I thought: this is not how he should be, its like Denethor. and there is a verry big difference between Denethor and Theoden.
but the scene 'symblelinne' (dont know how to write it :blush: ) is very good, I think....

the biggest fault was: don't greeting Haldir. without him he wouldn't win that war. and Haldir died there... for him and his people!!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Theoden! :(
PostPosted: August 27th, 2011, 12:25 am 
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I remember watching Theoden's face when I was watching TTT the other day, and I always imagined his reaction one of sheer surprise a sort of "what the fu...?" Because earlier he was feeling his country was so alone. When he was talking with Aragorn when he was telling Theoden to send out riders to call for aid and he said the line "Who will come? Men? Dwarves? Wizard? No, my lord Aragorn, we are alone" I believe, personally, that he was too completely floored to speak. (speaking purely from a film perspective)

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 Post subject: Re: Theoden! :(
PostPosted: December 21st, 2011, 8:21 pm 
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I LOVED HIS BEARD WHEN I GROW UP I WANT A BEARD LIKE THAT :notworthy:

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 Post subject: Re: Theoden! :(
PostPosted: December 26th, 2011, 2:59 pm 
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^ Yes, Theoden's powers of beardliness is great, indeed.

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 Post subject: Re: Theoden! :(
PostPosted: February 5th, 2012, 11:30 am 
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I will now be the odd one in the crowd by saying that I actually preferred Theoden in the movies to Theoden in the books. In the books, he seemed perfectly willing to do the right, wise thing in every situation. He never had any thoughts of revenge and was never even slightly bitter towards the people who had practically enslaved him (Grima). Those are very nice characteristics, but I think that the movie portrays him in a slightly more emotional and human way, which I will always prefer over a definite "good guy" who is never lost or a little bit unstable.

Just my thoughts on the matter.


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